Discriminations

Here is where elder statesmen like Tony Dungy and Lovie Smith can speak for black coaches from their perspective of having made it in the NFL (playing opposite each other in the Super Bowl, for heaven's sake). They should seek to tone down the hasty plans of colleges that have bought into the pressuring of the affirmative action illuminati.

This is not, at least, unusual. I remember during the MCRI campaign in Michigan reading almost everywhere articles and op-eds by people who explained that true justice and decency would be demonstrated by giving special treatment to people just like themselves.

John Rosenberg writes:

>>>"What the black coaches’ complaint asks us to believe is that colleges that eagerly lower their standards in order to give preferential admissions to black students and hiring preferences to black faculty and that energetically recruit the best college athletes, a “disproportionate” percentage of them black, refuse to hire the best qualified coaches because of racial bias. Presumably they care about excluding potentially winning black coaches more than they do about winning games."

And your conclusion is that Black candidates are "less qualified" because...?

And of course, if you look at the all-time victory list for College Football Coaches:

>>>"1. John Gagliardi, Carroll College/St. John's College (1949-2007): 453-122-11
2. Eddie Robinson, Grambling State (1941-1997): 408-168-15
*3. Bobby Bowden, Samford/West Virginia/Florida State (1959-2007): 373-119-4
*4. Joe Paterno, Penn State (1966-2007): 372-125-3
5. Amos Alonzo Stagg, Springfield College/Chicago/Pacific (1892-1946): 329-190-35
6. Paul W. "Bear" Bryant, Maryland/Kentucky/Texas A&M/Alabama (1945-1982): 323-85-17
7. Glenn Scobey "Pop" Warner, Georgia/Cornell/Carlisle/Pitt/Stanford/Temple (1895-1938): 318-106-32
8. Roy Kidd, Eastern Kentucky (1964-2002): 314-124-8
9. Forrest "Frosty" Westering, Parsons College/Lea College/Pacific Lutheran (1962-2003): 302-96-7
10 Harold R. "Tubby" Raymond, Delaware (1966-2001): 300-119-3"

http://collegefootball.about.com/od/coachinggreats/a/coaches-top10.htm

You'll notice that #2 on the list, Eddie Robinson, is an African-American.

This is compounded by SueR's statement:

>>>"Here is where elder statesmen like Tony Dungy and Lovie Smith can speak for black coaches from their perspective of having made it in the NFL (playing opposite each other in the Super Bowl, for heaven's sake)."

The very existence of successful African-American football coaches renders the title of this thread ponderous at best. Since African-Americans have PERFORMED successfully at all levels of Football coaching, how would a college hiring an African-American coach be indicative of that school "wanting to lose?"

I believe Sue falls off the rails with her next statement, however.

>>>"They should seek to tone down the hasty plans of colleges that have bought into the pressuring of the affirmative action illuminati."

It took 16 YEARS for Tony Dungy to get his first head coaching job in the NFL. Statistics for the NCAA Division I?

>>>"The Institute for Diversity and Ethics in Sport recently pointed out that since 1996 only 12 black candidates have been hired to fill 199 Division I coaching vacancies (6 percent). Moreover, today there are four black head coaches at Division I institutions. How about you name every Division I white coach in the country while I name every black coach?

Here we go: Sylvester Croom (Mississippi State), Turner Gill (Buffalo), Randy Shannon (Miami) and the University of Houston's Kevin Sumlin. There. I'm done and that is one crying shame."

--Greg Simms, Dayton Daily News
http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/oh/story/sports/college/2008/11/15/ddn111508spaudible.html

In other words, there are more African-American head coaches in the NFL's American Football Conference (5 out of 16 teams) than you have in ALL of NCAA D-1A (4 out of 119).

Sue, after those stats, you want Dungy and Lovie Smith to say that the plans to hire more African-American coaches is "hasty?"

--Cobra

Again, you need to learn how to summarize instead of quote. I'm tired of hosting your long posts when you could make your point just as well, actually better, with short summaries. So if in the the future you see blank space where you thought you'd posted extensive data, you'll know why.

But as for your point here, I assume it is that, as I said initially, that colleges want to lose, because if they didn't they'd hire all these better qualified coaches. Or more precisely: they'd rather lose than hire a black coach. You're welcome to this view, of course; it comports well with others you've expressed here, but is no more persuasive.