Discriminations

I can't wait for the 527 ads depicting a grumpy, confused, old white male making gaffe after gaffe wanting to kill a program designed to help women and minorities.

Thank you, Senator McCain!

--Cobra

Cobra ably illustrates one of the underlying realities of the quota mongers: often they are driven by age discrimination. As Cobra's comments so bitterly prove, what he really wants is to drive older people out of the job market because he wants their stuff.

Note that angry, dismissive and "stereotypical" statements about older people seem absolutely acceptable to Cobra: "... grumpy, confused, old white male... " He doesn't spare the name calling he likes to call "bigotry" when it is applied to his own kind. There's one set of rules for Cobra, another set for "old white men." The quota system breeds scam artists like Cobra.

Note also how that old white male is supposed to exist only to serve the needs of "women and minorities." Surprisingly enough, this is the group to which Cobra belongs. Cobra's bitter determination get for himself is, of course, proof of his sainthood. The self interest of white men is devil worship.

The desire to be rid of older workers has a lot to do with Cobra's politics. He wants what they have and he wants them to get out of the way so he can have it. I have experienced this frequently in the office world.

Cobra's purported concern for those sainted women and minorities is, as usual, vicious self-interest on the part of a younger guy intent on ridding himself of competition from older guys.

I'm on to the game, Cobra. This is just another one of your scams.

And, I'm not even a supporter of McCain. Your description of him, complete with vicious stereotypes, would cost you your job if you applied it to a "woman or minority" in the workplace.

You are all greed and self-interest, Cobra. Your pseudonym says it all. Predatory... threatening... invoking gang relationship. As I said, your hypocrisy is deleriously over the top. You are everything that you hate and protest. You are obsessed with bigotry and racism because you are a fierce proponent of both.

Cobra:

I love the pro-AA crowd's description of the trampling of white males' equal protection righs as merely "a program designed to "help" women and minorities".

Stacking the deck is more than "helping".

To say that unconnected white males from working class backgrounds have "white privilege" is quite a stretch. Most of these guys end up under-employed despite advanced degrees, thanks to racial and gender preferences.

END IT, DON'T DEFEND IT!!!!!

AA has the dual advantage to preferentialists and corporations of discriminating against white men and reducing the perceived costs of older workers. Ford Motor Co.'s out-of-court settlement with fired white males is a perfect example of this. The CEO at the time, Jacques Nasser infamously stated

"I do not like the sea of white faces in the audience, and FoMoCo must ensure that in the future, the company reflects the broad spectrum of Ford's customers,"

He then used a new scoring system to justify firing previously high-performing older white males.

See this article about the Ford cases for more details

http://www.sba.oakland.edu/faculty/schwartz/Clash%20of%20moralities.htm

Mike Bertonlone writes:

>>>"I love the pro-AA crowd's description of the trampling of white males' equal protection righs as merely "a program designed to "help" women and minorities"."

You REALLY think that the majority of White American males want to be treated the SAME way America has historically treated women and minorities?

LOL.

I've got this pretty little bridge in Brooklyn for sale you might want to look at.

Mike Bertolone writes:

>>>"To say that unconnected white males from working class backgrounds have "white privilege" is quite a stretch. Most of these guys end up under-employed despite advanced degrees, thanks to racial and gender preferences."

This statement is all over the place. The greatest adversaries of working class white males are not entry level women and minorities competing for jobs, but corporate white males who outsource and downsize them right into irrelevancy.

Those white males with advanced degrees can complain about women and minorities all they like, but the answering service at the complaint hotline has probably been moved to Bangalore...a cost saving, stock holder pleasing decision made more than likely by another white male with an advanced degree.

Yeah...I know. That's just not as sexy as blaming it on women and minorities, but reality is often just that ugly.

--Cobra

Cobra:
"You REALLY think that the majority of White American males want to be treated the SAME way America has historically treated women and minorities"

The pro-preference crowd really lays the hypocrisy on thick. Everyone is forbidden from stereotyping minorities and women, but go ahead and stereotype and slander "white males" all you want. Even ethnic whites (Jews, Italians, Eastern Europeans), who were historically lynched and severely discriminated against in the job market.

According to the pro-preference crowd, ALL White males:

*are prejudiced
*have "white privilege"
*have country club memberships
* are part of some nefarious "old boys network"
* live off huge trust funds

So stop "whining", European American males. Just go back to your mansions, country clubs, yachts and multi-million dollar jobs.
The pro-preference crowd believes it, so it must be so.

Mike Bertolone writes:

>>>" Even ethnic whites (Jews, Italians, Eastern Europeans), who were historically lynched and severely discriminated against in the job market."

You keep reinforcing my argument, Mike. Those ethnic whites...Jews, Italians, Eastern Europeans, etc. were "historically lynched and severely discriminated against in the job market" by--hold for the drum roll--

Other WHITE MALES.

LOL..c'mon Mike. Concede this one. You really don't want to take me on with the "shed a tear for the historical oppression of American White Males" argument, do you?

Not without a laugh track, at least.

--Cobra

Cobra:

"Other WHITE MALES."?????

And who classified us - wealthy White Anglo Saxon Protestants, in order to keep the heat away from themselves. They benefitted from slavery, not the rest of us. But we (ethnic whites) have to pay for their sins, and you're down with that, right Cobra???

It's interesting that ethnic "whites" weren't really considered "white' until after 1964, when they had opportunities to lose through affirmative action.

I don't expect you to shed a tear for the truth when you've been fed propaganda all your life.

Mike Bertolone writes:

>>>"And who classified us - wealthy White Anglo Saxon Protestants, in order to keep the heat away from themselves. They benefitted from slavery, not the rest of us. But we (ethnic whites) have to pay for their sins, and you're down with that, right Cobra???"

What am I reading, Mike? Are you renouncing your "whiteness?"

LOL, what are you trying to do--give Stephen a panic attack?

And how does John McCain fit in here, Mike...since he's been a White Anglo Saxon Protestant since WAAYYY before 1964, you know. Why would you work to help one of the "classifiers"?

This is getting REALLY interesting.

--Cobra

Cobra:

You can LOL all you want as you build stereotype upon stereotype.

You once wrote that the concept of race is a "made up" way of classifying people, right?

I'm not renouncing or buying in. I don't want to be excluded over something I had nothing to do with (characteristics at birth) nor can change. To have the law dictate opportunities based on these characteristics is insane, yet the Nazis characterized by "race".

I suppose you think we should follow their lead?

Here's some authority:

http://www.biotech.wisc.edu/education/biotechupdates/feb0101.html

which contains the quote:

"Different human individuals are 99.9% identical at the DNA level, and most of our genetic differences are shared among all ethnicities and races. There is no scientific basis for precise racial categories. The definition of race and ethnicity is something that biological science cannot support, but is rather a social or cultural construct"

Mike Bertolone writes:

>>>"I'm not renouncing or buying in. I don't want to be excluded over something I had nothing to do with (characteristics at birth) nor can change. To have the law dictate opportunities based on these characteristics is insane, yet the Nazis characterized by "race".

I suppose you think we should follow their lead?"

Hello? Mike? This is a blog called "Discriminations".

One of the main recurring themes on this blog is the notion that Race DOES matter, and that there is a pecking order in regards to intelligence, standardized testing, behavior, and general human value.

If you don't believe me, take a stroll through the archives on most given topics, and read. You'll see the implicit, and sometimes explicit commentary about racial inferiority & superiority.

As far as the University of Wisconsin quote, you shouldn't be posting that for ME. You should be posting that for the posters who champion SEGREGATION, another vigorous debate often had on this blog.

I am against segregation.

Apparently I don't have much company on this blog.

--Cobra