Can Coloradans Think For Themselves?

The editors of the Denver Post don’t seem to be sure. Their editorial today on a “California import that our state doesn’t need” begins as follows:

Just when Coloradans thought we might have to think for ourselves for a change, Ward Connerly jetted into town this week to promote his California-style ban on affirmative action.

Thinking for yourself is hard, and I’m not without sympathy for other people who have trouble with it, but I still find this low regard for the thinking ability of its readers odd coming from the editors of one of Colorado’s major newspapers.

But wait! Maybe those editors see a glimmer of hope after all:

As much as we respect the right of out-of-state politicians to export their pet projects to Colorado, we can’t avoid noting that history is not on Connerly’s side.

In 1998, California millionaire Ron Unz paid professional firms to put an initiative on Colorado’s ballot, Amendment 31, that would have banned bilingual education. Fort Collins philanthropist Pat Stryker stepped up to rally Coloradans against Unz and voters defeated his nostrum.

Whew! There’s a chance Coloradans won’t have to think for themselves after all, even if they don’t follow an outside agitator in what the Post’s editors would regard as a mindless, Pied Piper-like fashion. Maybe another rich philanthropist (or perhaps the editorial board of a major newspaper?) will step up to tell them what to think and how to vote.

ADDENDUM

This editorial also reveals that the preferentialist powers that be in Colorado have a ways to go in getting their act together. As I pointed out recently here and here, the official line coming out of the Colorado higher education establishment is that CCRI would have no, or little, effect on the policies at the University of Colorado. By contrast, the Post’s editors claim that CCRI would be devastating:

it would reverse the progress the University of Colorado has made in recruiting qualified African-American, Latino and Native American students under the leadership of CU President Hank Brown.

Well, I’m glad we’ve cleared that up. Either the University of Colorado and other institutions in the state bestow admissions and hiring preferences based on race or ethnicity, or they don’t. Thus CCRI is not needed because it would have no effect, or it is unwanted because it would cause the sky to fall.

Say What? (40)

  1. leo cruz April 26, 2007 at 6:55 pm | | Reply

    John,

    Passing bans on race preferences has not stopped universities in engaging in race- based admissions to fulfill their hell bent objective of “diversity ” . At Alhambra high school in California, 81 of its 366 Asian graduates enrolled at the University of California in 2005, while only 7 of its 171 Latino graduates enrolled in the UC system for the same year. Yet 5 of the 171 Latino graduates of that school enrolled at the University of Southern California while none of the Asian graduates did. At nearby Arcadia high school for the same year, 196 of its 561 Asian graudates enrolled in the UC system, a much lower percentage of Latinos in the same school enrolled at the UC system, something like 7 0ut of 80. Yet 3 Latino graduates of that school in the same year enrolled at Caltech while Caltech did not enroll any Asian from that school. That is a pattern repeated in many public shools here in California. Private schools here in California like Caltech and USC are obssesed with fulfilling their diversity qouta. That should be interesting news to your sister who you say goes to Caltech.

  2. John Rosenberg April 26, 2007 at 10:03 pm | | Reply

    Leo – Good comment, and good numbers. Banning preferences certainly won’t ban preferences … but it’ll help. Re Caltech, it’s my daughter, not sister, who’s a grad student there. I’m a bit surprised by what you report of its performance, since my impressing has been that it cares more about merit (as traditionally defined) and less about “diversity” than other elite schools, perhaps because it’s so heavily scientific. (But then that hasn’t prevented MIT following the same path as the other elites, or trying to.)

  3. Cobra April 26, 2007 at 11:14 pm | | Reply

    John writes:

    >>>”Maybe another rich philanthropist (or perhaps the editorial board of a major newspaper?) will step up to tell them what to think and how to vote.”

    As opposed to rich misanthropists from pro-white think tanks doing the EXACT SAME THING using Ward Connerly as a proxy?

    –Cobra

  4. mikem April 26, 2007 at 11:57 pm | | Reply

    Much lamer than usual, Cobra. You are getting lazy. All tuckered out from your race war fantasy camp?

  5. nobody important April 27, 2007 at 11:04 am | | Reply

    And of course, Ward Connerly cannot think for himself.

  6. Cobra April 27, 2007 at 3:42 pm | | Reply

    Nobody Important writes:

    >>>”And of course, Ward Connerly cannot think for himself.”

    Not at all. Ward Connerly seems to ONLY think about himself. And that kind of thinking’s made him a millionaire with pro-white think tank money.

    Looks like it’s time for another “Cobra Flashback Post” newer readers and those who didn’t drink it in the first time:

    >>>”This is fascinating. One of the reasons many African Americans like myself feel that Ward Connerly is a “traitor to his race,” is the fact that Ward has made himself a millionaire simply by being the brown-skinned face of throw-back, reactionary, pro-white conservative politicians and think-tank groups.

    http://www.mediatransparency.org/people/ward_connerly.htm

    The vast majority of African Americans I know DESPISE Ward Connerly. The isolated few I’ve met who don’t, tend to be cut from the same cloth as Connerly…mercenary, sycophantic, and dedicated to acquiring personal weath and prestige from white benefactors no matter the cost to those who share his ethnic origin.

    Judas Iscariot sold out Jesus for thirty pieces of silver. Ward Connerly has simply taken inflation into account.

    –Cobra

    Posted by: Cobra | August 9, 2004 9:02 PM

    Whaddya know? The Song is still TIMELY.

    –Cobra

  7. mikem April 27, 2007 at 9:51 pm | | Reply

    Historical parallels abound. Whites who supported the civil rights movement were likewise reviled by those, like Cobra, who put racial loyalty ahead of human rights and principles. The difference is that a majority of whites could see the innate rightness of their call for equal rights and supported the civil rights movement, the efforts of Democrats (Cobra’s party of choice, I love it.) notwithstanding.

    I take Cobra’s admission of guilt at face value and his indictment of the black community seems self evidently correct. I have seen no great evidence that anything but a small minority of blacks actually believe in treating others as human beings rather than pigment carriers. Certainly the black majority in Detroit has made clear their feelings about minority rights, with black only business zones, let alone the rights of all.

    People like Ward Connerly do in fact bring shame to the black community, by providing a contrast to racial loyalists like themselves, their chosen leaders and Cobra. That shame is the same shame that Southern Democrats were made to feel by white civil rights workers. It is harsh medicine but it works eventually.

  8. Laura(southernxyl) April 27, 2007 at 10:35 pm | | Reply

    Cobra: Is it bad to be pro-white? You didn’t say anti-black, mind.

  9. Cobra April 28, 2007 at 12:31 am | | Reply

    Mikem writes:

    >>>”Whites who supported the civil rights movement were likewise reviled by those, like Cobra, who put racial loyalty ahead of human rights and principles. The difference is that a majority of whites could see the innate rightness of their call for equal rights and supported the civil rights movement, the efforts of Democrats (Cobra’s party of choice, I love it.) notwithstanding.”

    Can you provide examples and sources to back up your claims? If a reader not versed in American history looks at your writing, they would construe that the civil rights movement in America was LED by white conservatives, and blacks had little or nothing to do with it.

    One would also gleen that since the “majority of whites could see the innate rightness of their call for equal rights and supported the civil rights movement..” there wouldn’t have been a NEED for such a movement in the first place, because SURELY, a majority of whites who all thought that way would’ve never allowed slavery, or Jim Crow to occur in the first place, right?

    Why would Southern White Democrats during Jim Crow feel “shame” if the majority of them believed in civil rights and equality?

    Now, as I’ve often said on Discriminations, I have nothing but love for liberal brothers and sisters of all races, creeds and colors who join the struggle for civil rights, and recognize America’s congenital malady.

    –Cobra

  10. mikem April 28, 2007 at 2:24 am | | Reply

    “Can you provide examples and sources to back up your claims?”

    This is a time waster with you, Cobra. No matter how often you are reminded you will always and forever parrot the lessons you learned on the Democratic plantation. As in, slavery and Jim Crow was led by the Southern Republicans and Lincoln was a Democrat.

    You practice revisionist history (and shame your ancestors) because these days the Democrats are willing to treat you like a child, warning you of disaster if you are forced to walk equal among others. But for you personally, I am glad to see you take that role so enthusiastically. It fits you.

    “I have nothing but love for liberal brothers and sisters of all races, creeds and colors who join the struggle for civil rights, and recognize America’s congenital malady.”

    You have indicated nothing of the sort. You support direct racial discrimination against minority immigrants in Detroit. You support all sorts of racially discriminatory measures. You are even quite honest at times about enjoying the idea of others suffering from discrimination. What you are, is willing to do and swallow anything that will guarantee you a leg up on everyone else. Planned Parenthood’s founder Margaret Sanger and her dream of a “non-Negro” America? Sure, why not, you’ll support Planned Parenthood, because Democrats and modern liberals will promise to treat you like a child. Future generations, black dignity? Who cares, it’s all about you, today.

    And surely, a majority of people who decry rape should not need to outlaw it, right? Cause it wouldn’t happen in the first place if a majority didn’t support it.

    You wasted too much time in school listening to poor logic and getting your back patted for “being black”.

    So how did camp go? Any further word on the coming conflagration? Or was that the only warning before you and your “brothers in love” pay Americans back for not supporting racial discrimination against their own children?

    [God help the African American community if people like Cobra really do represent their views. But I'm willing to accept it, finally.]

  11. FreeMan April 28, 2007 at 10:01 am | | Reply

    John – Detroit is a Majority Black Afrikan City with a Majority Black Afrikan population of 80% + – The Detroit area is the most racially segregated area in the US – Detroit’s political leaders should serve Detroit’s Majority population by supporting Afrikatown because of racism against Black Afrikans – Black Afrikans are more likely to have businesses & employment with Black Afrikans

    Detroit has Greektown & Mexicantown & is planning Asiatown – but shouldn’t have AfrikaTown that represents its Majority Population? Why because of racism against Black Afrikans

    Wardell Connerly should be ashamed for his hypocrisy – his own relatives were probably raped & lynched by the Ku Klux Klan – yet he accepts the Ku Klux Klan’s open support to discriminate against Women & People of Color – Wardell Connerly – Condileeza Rice – Clarence Thomas – Colin Powell all benefitted from Affirmative Action policies yet remain silent when the New World Order attempts to dismantle Affirmative Action

    We need Black Afrikan leaders that represent the needs of the Black Afrikan community 1st & foremost

  12. Shouting Thomas April 28, 2007 at 5:20 pm | | Reply

    Cobra,

    The jealousy and hatred in your prose are very disturbing to read. We are not engaged in a race war. People who disagree with you are not traitors.

    Your conviction that you speak for black people is a paranoid delusion that come out of your obsession with racial conflict. People who do not want to hear your raving walk away from you and avoid you. That’s why you are so convinced that blacks agree with you.

    My relationships with blacks have nothing to do with racial warfare. I sit in the locker room at the gym and BS with my black friends about family and women and sports. I play cards with a very nice black man who is married to a Filipina. We talk mostly about financial issues and the horrors of commuting. My financial adviser is a black man, a very religious and very successful man whose oldest son is a doctor. He has been one of my strongest supporters in working through my wife’s death. When I go out to the jam sessions around town, I talk with my black friends about music and gigs and our common heros.

    For a couple of years, my late wife and I attended a black Baptist church and we attended a number of church social events. We talked with people about family and the Gospel and God.

    Rid yourself of your paranoid obsessions and talk to black people who do not share your obsessions. You will discover that there is another world out there. The vast majority of us, black and white, exist in peace and brotherhood. There is no racial war going on, brother. Cease calling people traitors because we are not divided up into warring armies.

  13. Laura(southernxyl) April 28, 2007 at 9:48 pm | | Reply

    Cobra: “One would also gleen that since the ‘majority of whites could see the innate rightness of their call for equal rights and supported the civil rights movement..’ there wouldn’t have been a NEED for such a movement in the first place, because SURELY, a majority of whites who all thought that way would’ve never allowed slavery, or Jim Crow to occur in the first place, right?”

    Slavery ended because a majority of white people decided to end it. Black people had no power at the time, remember? So how could they have ended it? The white people who supported Jim Crow, or who supported the civil rights movement, either way, were born after abolition. They weren’t the same white people who supported or abolished slavery, any more than black people living now experienced life in this country before 1863.

    Cobra, surely you aren’t assigning guilt, or ideology, or anything else to people based on the color of their skin?

  14. Cobra April 29, 2007 at 2:52 pm | | Reply

    Laura writes:

    >>>”Cobra: Is it bad to be pro-white? You didn’t say anti-black, mind.”

    Not neccessarily. IMHO, it’s bad when people aren’t OPEN and HONEST about it.

    Laura writes:

    >>>”Slavery ended because a majority of white people decided to end it. Black people had no power at the time, remember? So how could they have ended it? The white people who supported Jim Crow, or who supported the civil rights movement, either way, were born after abolition. They weren’t the same white people who supported or abolished slavery, any more than black people living now experienced life in this country before 1863.”

    My question stands. If the majority of white people supported equal rights and the civil rights movement, how could slavery and Jim Crow have come into existance?

    Mikem would have you believe that black people swam across the Atlantic Ocean and volunteered to be slaves in America. We both know that’s not the case.

    Mikem can’t even bring himself to describe the Southern Democrats (Dixiecrats) by racial classification.

    Laura writes:

    >>>”Cobra, surely you aren’t assigning guilt, or ideology, or anything else to people based on the color of their skin?”

    Stating irrefutable historical facts about the perpetrators of slavery and Jim Crow in America is no more racist than the incessant repetition of standardized test score averages categorized by race on this blog.

    Stephen writes:

    >>>”My relationships with blacks have nothing to do with racial warfare. I sit in the locker room at the gym and BS with my black friends about family and women and sports. I play cards with a very nice black man who is married to a Filipina. We talk mostly about financial issues and the horrors of commuting. My financial adviser is a black man, a very religious and very successful man whose oldest son is a doctor. He has been one of my strongest supporters in working through my wife’s death. When I go out to the jam sessions around town, I talk with my black friends about music and gigs and our common heros.

    For a couple of years, my late wife and I attended a black Baptist church and we attended a number of church social events. We talked with people about family and the Gospel and God.”

    Yeah, yeah…Some of my best friends are..LOL! You know why I like you, buddy? You’re such a reliable example for my points readers must think I have you on retainer.

    Let’s try a little experiment, Stephen. We’ve had literally PAGES worth of discussions here at Discriminations over the past three years. Why don’t you print one of these threads out, make some copies, and hand out and discuss them to your “black friends”.

    Better yet, invite some these “black friends” to come here and JOIN the discussions on Discriminations. I’m extremely curious about which side of these discussions your “black friends” would support.

    –Cobra

  15. Shouting Thomas April 29, 2007 at 3:29 pm | | Reply

    It is very sad what you are doing to yourself, Cobra.

    I’ve tried to reach out to you as an act of Christian charity.

    You are wasting your life on these paranoid delusions. There is, unfortunately, nothing that I can do. You are not even a person of basic goodwill. You live for hatred and warfare.

  16. Shouting Thomas April 29, 2007 at 6:52 pm | | Reply

    Yes, Cobra, I deliberately set out after college to live a life of what we used to call “integration” and I’ve been very successful at it. I’ve lived among blacks and Asians and I had a great time doing it. I’m proud of it. Your attempts to phrase it as something negative are quite juvenile.

    You’ve complained endlessly about segregation. What, exactly, do you mean by integration, if not what I have done?

    Or are you in fact, in favor of everybody withdrawing into their respective armed camps and waging war?

    Or are you just engaging in “trash talk?”

  17. Laura(southernxyl) April 29, 2007 at 7:00 pm | | Reply

    “>>>’Cobra, surely you aren’t assigning guilt, or ideology, or anything else to people based on the color of their skin?’

    “Stating irrefutable historical facts about the perpetrators of slavery and Jim Crow in America is no more racist than the incessant repetition of standardized test score averages categorized by race on this blog.”

    I will ask you again, Cobra. SPECIFIC white people perpetrated slavery and Jim Crow, just as SPECIFIC other white people put an end to them. Do you think all white people bear guilt for those things? And don’t tell me what other people on the blog do. You don’t, and I don’t, have to do what other people do.

  18. mikem April 29, 2007 at 9:51 pm | | Reply

    “If the majority of white people supported equal rights and the civil rights movement, how could slavery and Jim Crow have come into existance?”

    And again I ask, if the majority of people support good, how could evil exist?

    Slam dunk. If it exists it is supported by a majority.

    Geographics? Political entities? Sovereignty issues? No No. If it exists, it enjoys majority support. In fact, how could communism exist if it does not enjoy majority support?

    I guess the rule on employing these nonsensical tactics is for racialists to swallow their dignity and pride and just say it for their cause, which is racism, now and forever.

    Slavery existed in Africa for centuries before whites made it pay better, to their shame (but not the black slavers who kidnapped and sold them in the first place). It still exists in Africa supported by some black “civil rights” leaders and activists in America, such as Space Cadet Louie. It took whites to see the evil in it and to end it where they had reach. Africans still practice it. Cobra and the “blacks can’t be racists” crowd would want us to believe that blacks are not advanced enough as humans to be held accountable for their actions and beliefs. I and others have higher hopes for blacks, much to Cobra’s chagrin.

    And Steve, I would ask your friends and coworkers if they feel that your children and grandchildren should be denied employment, advancement and benefits because of the color of their skin. That should be an interesting conversation for Cobra to explain.

  19. FreeMan April 30, 2007 at 4:49 am | | Reply

    Shouting Thomas – You claim to be a Christian – yet I am surprised by your postings if Godliness is your primary way of life – Doesn’t the Bible teach “that the shall make you free?” If it does then why can you not accept the truth in regards to Sexism against women & Racism against People of Color? Didn’t the Black Afrikan Eqyptians $ Israel slave reparations according to the Bible? & if so what do you feel about the US & its companies $ slave reparations to Black Afrikans as a Christian? Finally, the Ku Klux Klan with its racist hate crimes against Jews & People of Color supports bans on Affirmative Action will you as a Christian condemn the Ku Klux Klan as immoral for wanting to destroy God’s Creation – Jews & People of Color?

  20. Shouting Thomas April 30, 2007 at 11:40 am | | Reply

    FreeMan,

    Christianity has nothing to do with the college indoctrination you’ve received. You know, you’ve come to this site unaware that what you are really seeking is freedom from that indoctrination. Your mind is in chains.

    I haven’t heard the kind of rhetoric you employ in some years. Are you a member of the Spartacus League? Your rhetoric is Stalinist.

    The Ku Klux Klan barely exists any more. The number of blacks killed by other blacks is a thousand times a worse problem for the black community. You are beating a dead horse. Black violence against whites dwarfs white violence against blacks.

    The solutions for the black community to their self-inflicted problems are: a return to church, a return to fathers as the head of family, taking individual responsibility for their actions and refusing to listen to the rhetoric of hatred and revenge that obsesses you.

    You are obviously very young, and you are struggling against the indoctrination inflicted on you. Take your time to reply and actually listening to an elder.

  21. Cobra April 30, 2007 at 6:17 pm | | Reply

    Laura writes:

    >>>”I will ask you again, Cobra. SPECIFIC white people perpetrated slavery and Jim Crow, just as SPECIFIC other white people put an end to them. Do you think all white people bear guilt for those things? And don’t tell me what other people on the blog do. You don’t, and I don’t, have to do what other people do.”

    Mikem writes:

    >>>”And again I ask, if the majority of people support good, how could evil exist?

    Slam dunk. If it exists it is supported by a majority.

    Geographics? Political entities? Sovereignty issues? No No. If it exists, it enjoys majority support. In fact, how could communism exist if it does not enjoy majority support?”

    Mikem just explained my argument. The majority doesn’t have to actively participate in the said evil. They just have to remain ignorant, silent and obeisant.

    Delroy Murdock, (Yes, Cobra reads black conservatives every now and then) gives you the reasons why America is succeptible to these scourges:

    >>>”The future of American liberty rests in the hands of young people more familiar with the Three Stooges than the three branches of government. According to a 1998 Luntz Research survey, 59 percent of 13-to 17-year-olds identified Moe, Larry, and Curly while only 41 percent correctly cited the legislative, executive, and judicial branches…

    …The National Constitution Center interviewed 1,000 adults and found that 24 percent cannot name a single right guaranteed by the First Amendment. Only 6 percent can cite freedoms of speech, press, assembly and religion. Fifty-two percent do not know the Senate has 100 members. One in six believes the Constitution created a Christian nation…”

    http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment070300c.html

    Now, Laura, you asked me if I think all white people bear guilt for slavery and Jim Crow (and I would add the CONTINUING DISCRIMINATION against minorities today).

    My answer is this. If somebody is IGNORANT of American History and current society in regards to race, civil rights and what the Constitution says, (which I believe Murdoch, would number in the tens of millions) they need to be educated and made aware of the reality.

    If they ARE aware of American History and current society in regards to race, and STILL say or do NOTHING in the face of oppression and tyranny, then IMHO, they are little more than silent, tacit unidicted co-conspirators with the PERPETRATORS of said injustice.

    They’re the eye-witness with exculpatory evidence who refuses to come forward.

    They’re the citizens who avert their eyes and pass by the woman being assaulted in an alleyway.

    They’re the “bad” Samaritans.

    And don’t think I wouldn’t bang the gavel down just as hard on MINORITIES who turn a blind eye, or “go along to get along”, either.

    From what I’ve seen you post here, Laura, you wouldn’t fit into that category. We both understand the history and reality, but have a different strategy upon moving forward.

    How many people of all races and ethnicities in Colorado will seriously educate themselves on this topic–the historical ramifications and the future implications of the Connerly-Chavez race- scheme oozing forward in their state?

    Unfortunately, I’m afraid too many will be more versed in who was voted out on American Idol, and how many of the Broncos draft picks will start this year.

    –Cobra

  22. FreeMan April 30, 2007 at 6:31 pm | | Reply

    Shouting Thomas – the issue is not me or my beliefs – the issue is that you claimed to be a Christian – I didn’t know that followers of Stalin believed in God – Hmm?

    You must be racially superior to me because you refuse to answer my questions. I am Black Afrikan – are you Shouting Thomas racially superior to me?

    Does your Christianity allow you to believe in the racial supremacy of White European-Americans over all other people?

    James Byrd was lynched by the Ku Klux Klan in Texas in 1999

  23. mikem April 30, 2007 at 8:55 pm | | Reply

    Barf. Seriously. I’m sitting here after reading a PhiBeatCon blurb about a decrepit old racist named Nikki Giovanni currently honored at Virginia Tech, winner of NAACP awards among others, whose signature piece ” The True Import Of Present Dialogue…” went like this:

    “Nigger

    Can you kill

    Can you kill

    Can a nigger kill

    Can a nigger kill a honkie

    Can a nigger kill the Man

    Can you kill nigger

    Huh? nigger can you

    kill

    Do you know how to draw blood

    Can you poison

    Can you stab-a-Jew

    Can you kill huh? nigger

    Can you kill

    Can you run a protestant down with your

    ’68 El Dorado

    (that’s all they’re good for anyway)

    Can you kill

    Can you piss on a blond head

    Can you cut it off

    Can you kill

    A nigger can die

    We ain’t got to prove we can die

    We got to prove we can kill…”

    And on and on.

    This tired old monster saw fit to comment on the Virginia Tech massacre a few days ago.

    Yeah, we definitely want more of this evolutionary throwback educating our children.

    More threats, more laughable melodramtic descriptions of a policy demanding race and gender blind decisions as an “oozing race scheme”. Even a crumb thrown to Laura, which I guess will count for being last eaten in the race war that Cobra dreams of.

    Flail, fling, spit and scream. You’re still going to have to grow up, Cobra.

  24. Cobra April 30, 2007 at 11:33 pm | | Reply

    Mikem writes:

    >>>”More threats, more laughable melodramtic descriptions of a policy demanding race and gender blind decisions as an “oozing race scheme”. Even a crumb thrown to Laura, which I guess will count for being last eaten in the race war that Cobra dreams of.

    Flail, fling, spit and scream. You’re still going to have to grow up, Cobra.”

    Umm..this is a thread about whether Coloradans can think for themselves regarding the pro-white think-tank financed anti-affirmative action campaign announced recently.

    You may disagree with my stance on the issue, but at least I’ve remained on topic.

    You’ve veered off on a tangent reposting a poem with eight uses of the N-word–NOTHING to do with the topic of this thread.

    Then YOU tell ME that I “need to grow up?”

    LOL!

    I really don’t care what you think about me, Mikem.

    I have the intellectually honest argument.

    America as a society considers race and gender. I believe the society is still racist and sexist, and there are mainframes of data to support that belief. I support Affirmative Action, because it’s a logical response to an irrefutably racist and sexist society.

    YOU however seem to believe that the CCRI “a policy demanding race and gender blind decisions” ONLY by the State Government is a BETTER response in an irrefutably racist and sexist society.

    I agree with you, to an extent. It is better…if you’re a white male.

    But that’s been the case throughout American History, huh Mikem?

    –Cobra

  25. mikem May 1, 2007 at 12:33 am | | Reply

    What an “intellectually honest” guy!. Cobra has no issues with Giovanni encouraging “jew” and “honky” killing, but reprint her repeated use of “nigger”? How dare you!

    This is only a slight variation of the blacks can’t be racist rule (also irrefutable!). An NAACP approved work of hate goes from award winning to objectionable as soon as a white person reproduces it. Of course, Cobra doesn’t find the work objectionable at all, just that a white person offers it to mock.

    Off topic? I recalled Giovanni because she is what you have in mind when you call for better education of our children about race. She is bonafide NAACP approved!!! The rest is a direct response to your quoted words in the recent comments. If I’m off topic, it is only because I followed your lead.

    Get a life. Get honest. Get working on your ofishal coming race war New Black Panther boy scout uniform. (They looked so cute in Durham.)

  26. Shouting Thomas May 1, 2007 at 8:14 am | | Reply

    You are fabricating, FreeMan. You are just plain making things up.

    The Klan had no role in the murder of James Byrd. Yes, the three men who murdered bird belonged to a prison gang. So, you’ve come up with one gang murder of a black by whites since 1999.

    Read the FBI crime statistics. In that same time period black gangs have murdered thousands of whites. And among young black men, homicide is the leading cause of death. And those young black men are invariably murdered by other black men.

    Check out this story of black gang violence: http://mitchieville.blogspot.com/2007/04/horror-story-msm-has-tried-to-bury.html

    It’s difficult to answer a person who is simply fabricating to serve his purposes. Blacks are murdering whites and themselves at a preposterous rate. The overwhelming problem is black violence. I’ll answer your questions when you cease making things up.

  27. Cobra May 2, 2007 at 11:27 pm | | Reply

    Mikem writes:

    >>>”What an “intellectually honest” guy!. Cobra has no issues with Giovanni encouraging “jew” and “h—–” killing, but reprint her repeated use of “n——“? How dare you!”

    I believe that even Coloradans would question why you, responding directly to an African-American man, would CHOOSE to repost a poem that referenced the N-word eight times.

    Is it the “shock” value, Mikem?

    I notice lately that there seems to be an almost fetishistic desire by some here to repost THAT word, and then hide behind the quotation marks of an African-American author or poet.

    Where does this insatiable urge come from in YOUR case, Mikem?

    Mikem writes:

    >>>”An NAACP approved work of hate goes from award winning to objectionable as soon as a white person reproduces it.”

    You’re not addressing the NAACP here. You’re addressing me. I would have no inkling to repost Irish-American slurs or epithets, even I would be quoting an Order of Hibernians Award winner.

    Stephen writes:

    >>>”In that same time period black gangs have murdered thousands of whites.”

    Come on, Stephen. You can’t sell that stuff any more. The facts don’t back you up.

    The vast majority of homicides in America are INTRARACIAL.

    http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/index.html

    But back to the topic at hand, Colorado will be an interesting vote, depending upon whether ALL the voters who intended to vote that day actually are ALLOWED to vote, and actually have their votes COUNTED.

    –Cobra

  28. mikem May 3, 2007 at 1:49 am | | Reply

    “I believe that even Coloradans would question why you, responding directly to an African-American man, would CHOOSE to repost a poem that referenced the N-word eight times.”

    I believe that even a Detroit resident would wonder why, given two opportunities to do so, you have CHOSEN to not condemn her call to kill honkies, Jews, and Protestants and urinate on a blond haired person.

    Oh wait, you are an “African-American man”, whining about an “African American woman’s” own words being used to mock her ignorance. You’re too busy to condemn overt racial and Jew hatred. (Gotta keep your “black” credentials? Don’t want to be a race traitor?)

    You don’t deserve to even clean Ward Connerly’s toilet, let alone criticize him. It is blacks like you who are the race traitors, the “Uncle Toms” and “House Negroes” of the black community, bringing disgrace upon your community and fulfilling the punch line of every anti-black joke with your own words and lack of dignity.

    And as John once pointed out, and as the black community reminds us constantly, “nigger” is not a racial slur unless it is used as such. But I’ll give your question serious consideration if you’ll tell us why blacks have such an insatiable urge to use the word, in conversation, song and prose. Can you think of a silly juvenile reason for that, like waving that “privilege” around like others wave their job titles, educational degrees, accomplishments and awards. (Heh)

    [Stephen writes:

    >>>”In that same time period black gangs have murdered thousands of whites.”

    Come on, Stephen. You can’t sell that stuff any more. The facts don’t back you up.

    The vast majority of homicides in America are INTRARACIAL….]

    Just stifle, Cobra, if you are not even going to read what you are commenting on. It was Freeman who brought up INTERRACIAL homicides, you goof. Hence the INTERRACIAL response. The facts are what they are, and Stephen hit the nail on the head.

  29. Cobra May 3, 2007 at 9:05 am | | Reply

    Mikem writes:

    >>>”You don’t deserve to even clean Ward Connerly’s toilet, let alone criticize him. It is blacks like you who are the race traitors, the “Uncle Toms” and “House Negroes” of the black community, bringing disgrace upon your community and fulfilling the punch line of every anti-black joke with your own words and lack of dignity.”

    So now, even spewing the N-word is not good enough. You’ve moved on to “Uncle Tom” and “House Negro” (why you used the diet form of that word and not “House N——” is curious)

    But don’t let me stop you, Mikem. Surely you’re familiar with MORE anti-black slurs and epithets than the ones you’ve gleefully posted thus far.

    In fact, you, like STEPHEN are a perfect example for people, like Coloradans exposed to these virulent anti-affirmative action intitiatives, who need proof that America still considers race to this day in their thought processes.

    If you want to condemn Nikki Giovani, go right ahead. She has a website and an email address.

    http://nikki-giovanni.com/

    –Cobra

  30. mikem May 3, 2007 at 2:12 pm | | Reply

    “Surely you’re familiar with MORE anti-black slurs and epithets than the ones you’ve gleefully posted thus far.”

    Oh yeah. Any admirer of Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Ward Connerly (basically any African American who ventures off the Democratic plantation) gets real familiar with the whole gamut of anti-black racial slurs slung by blacks like you against them. And I’m more than gleefully willing to point out the self hatred and plantation mentality that permeates their black detractors words and thinking. Doing it to you, Cobra, is just icing on the cake. You taking umbrage is just priceless. Talk about chickens coming home to roost.

    “If you want to condemn Nikki Giovani, go right ahead. She has a website and an email address.”

    I am. I did. I will in the future, now that I know of her. I plan on mocking her “genius” and reactions like yours for a good ole while. I don’t need to read even more of her homicidal race fantasies and oh-so-predictable Jew hatred to see the need to do so. But you should write her. She would probably love to hear you spin out your race war fantasies.

    “In fact, you, like STEPHEN are a perfect example for people, like Coloradans exposed to these virulent anti-affirmative action intitiatives, who need proof that America still considers race to this day in their thought processes.” [Laugh out loud]

    Just no shame, eh Cobra? Race, race, race all day every day from “civil rights activists” and then blame everyone else for discussing race.

    Are you so dense and self absorbed that you do not see the *extreme irony* in this statement? Good gravy. Individualism is racism, racial loyalty is not. Colorblind is racism, racial quotas and classifying are not.

    It’s no wonder that you are so intimidated by merit based systems.

  31. FreeMan May 3, 2007 at 9:16 pm | | Reply

    Mikem – Black Afrikans like Condoleeza Rice & Wardell Connerly exercise Self Hatred by their Anti-Black Afrikan policies – A Black Afrikan that loves one’s people should identify such Traitors to the Black Afrikan race – You are using Deception

  32. Cobra May 3, 2007 at 10:54 pm | | Reply

    Mikem writes:

    >>>”Oh yeah. Any admirer of Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Ward Connerly (basically any African American who ventures off the Democratic plantation) gets real familiar with the whole gamut of anti-black racial slurs slung by blacks like you against them. And I’m more than gleefully willing to point out the self hatred and plantation mentality that permeates their black detractors words and thinking. Doing it to you, Cobra, is just icing on the cake.”

    I sincerely hope that Coloradans are reading this thread specifically for your example, Mikem.

    I’m enjoying a refreshing bowl of shredded wheat (great source of fiber) while watching you take derogatory race terminology to the next level.

    I would hilight to the Coloradans in the readeship the views of two of the African-Americans Mikem uses as his example in his quote:

    Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice:

    >>>”Talking to the American Urban Radio Network, Rice said she agreed that affirmative action is needed “if it does not lead to quotas.”

    “My own personal view is that there are circumstances in which it is necessary to use race as a factor among many factors in diversifying a college class,” she told the network “And so I’ve been a supporter of affirmative action that is not quota based and that does not seek to make race the only factor, but that considers race as one of many factors.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,75932,00.html

    Fmr. Secretary of State Colin Powell:

    >>>Calling himself a “strong proponent” of affirmative action, Secretary of State Colin Powell said Sunday that he believes race should play a role in university admissions.

    “I wish it was possible for everything to be race-neutral in this country, but I’m afraid we’re not yet at that point where things are race-neutral,” Powell said on CNN’s “Late Edition.”

    “I believe race should be a factor among many other factors in determining the makeup of a student body of a university.”

    http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/19/powell.race/

    Hmmm…Two of the HIGHEST African-American officials from the Bush Administration agree with COBRA on this issue, and NOT Mikem, John Rosenberg, Chetly Zarko, or Jennifer Gratz.

    Coloradans, you’ve all read in this thread what Mikem thinks about ME for supporting Affirmative Action. Do you believe that Mikem harbors the SAME thoughts about these prominent BLACK Republicans? Is Affirmative Action the “litmus test”?

    Curious. Of course, the “next level” in derogatory phrasing is Mikem not stopping at posting racial slurs and epithets, but using “plantation” TWICE evoking America’s hideous and abominable SLAVERY past.

    Mikem’s logic: I’m a black man who has the temerity to disagree with Mikem, therefore I must be a “slave”–incapable of the same individual thought process both asked for in the thread’s title, and ironically, the end of Mikem’s post in question.

    (Sigh.)

    Now, Coloradans, here’s the kicker…

    Mikem writes:

    >>>”It’s no wonder that you are so intimidated by merit based systems.”

    Does Mikem actually BELIEVE that eliminating Affirmative Action will create a “meritocracy?” Something that has NEVER EXISTED in America?

    Oh, Coloradans, I know you can think for yourselves.

    I have no doubt what CRITICAL thinking will be on this thread.

    –Cobra

  33. mikem May 4, 2007 at 2:53 am | | Reply

    You couldn’t have highlighted the differences between proponents and opponents of race based criteria better, Cobra.

    Opponents are well aware of Condi Rice’s and Colin Powell’s support for the minimal use of race as a criteria in hiring, education et al. And look at the tremendous amount of respect they have earned from conservatives. Compare that to the manner in which they have been attacked by supporters of “affirmative action” merely for serving in a conservative administration. People like you delight in calling them every demeaning anti-black slur imaginable, including Condi as a “house nigga”. Ward Connerly, as a supporter of equal rights for ALL, has suffered worse.

    And Coloradans should know that those who oppose racial discrimination will be branded by you as just KKK in nice clothes, as you have said before. They should know that you will accuse them of pining for the good old days of lynching blacks for their unwillingness to explain to their sons and daughters that the state has a right to judge them by the skin color they inherited.

    Look at how people, like Cobra, attack men like Ward Connerly as race traitors (Thanks, Freeman, for the nearby example!).

    “Oh, Coloradans, I know you can think for yourselves.”

    Oh Coloradans, Cobra and his ilk have another plan for you in case you don’t “get your minds right” on just who deserves civil rights and who doesn’t. You should know, Oh Coloradans, the mentality of Cobra and his “affirmative action” supporters. The following is Cobra just a few days ago when John announced his participation in the Civil Rights Initiative.

    “I guess I shouldn’t REALLY be surprised that you’d join collaborator Connerly’s cabal,(you’ve all but nominated him for sainthood in the past) but I figured that at most, you’d sort of cheerlead from the bleacher seats on this blog, and not be a active participant and consiliari in these racial-revisionism rackets.

    Do you REALLY want your name attached to these poisonous edicts when the demographic chickens come home to roost in the VERY near future?

    Deep down, John, I grudgingly admire that you have the courage of your convictions.

    Deep down, I also, with regret, believe that these sown seeds will reap a devastating whirlwind in the coming years that will prove disastrous to this nation.

    –Cobra ”

    So you can give in to Cobra’s threats or you can vote to keep the state out of the business of discriminating against human beings based on their race.

  34. Cobra May 4, 2007 at 8:39 am | | Reply

    Cobra writes:

    >>>” You’ve moved on to “Uncle Tom” and “House Negro” (why you used the diet form of that word and not “House N——” is curious)”

    Then Mikem writes:

    >>>”People like you delight in calling them every demeaning anti-black slur imaginable, including Condi as a “house n—–“.

    Had to get it out of your system, huh Mikem?

    What other slurs and epithets against blacks will you post here?

    Coloradans, is Mikem’s language something you envision as part of the future for your state?

    –Cobra

  35. mikem May 4, 2007 at 11:43 am | | Reply

    “What other slurs and epithets against blacks will you post here?”

    Anything that pro- discrimination blacks use to attack and intimidate other blacks. As your rants have made clear, nothing so displays the intellectual and moral weakness of your pro-discrimination beliefs than to expose the hateful language and tactics you employ against the “collaborators”.

    You can count on seeing the threats you made reposted again too. We’ll see how persuasive they are, eh?

  36. Cobra May 5, 2007 at 10:16 am | | Reply

    OK, Coloradans.

    Obviously, Mikem believes that you not only cannot THINK for yourselves, but that you also don’t have access to a DICTIONARY.

    From Merriam-Webster’s online edition:

    collaborate

    Main Entry: col·lab·o·rate

    Pronunciation: \kə-ˈla-bə-ˌrāt\

    Function: intransitive verb

    Inflected Form(s): -rat·ed; -rat·ing

    Etymology: Late Latin collaboratus, past participle of collaborare to labor together, from Latin com- + laborare to labor — more at labor

    Date: 1871

    1 : to work jointly with others or together especially in an intellectual endeavor

    2 : to cooperate with or willingly assist an enemy of one’s country and especially an occupying force

    3 : to cooperate with an agency or instrumentality with which one is not immediately connected

    — col·lab·o·ra·tion \-ˌla-bə-ˈrā-shən\ noun

    — col·lab·o·ra·tive \-ˈla-bə-ˌrā-tiv, -b(ə-)rə-\ adjective or noun

    — col·lab·o·ra·tive·ly \-lē\ adverb

    — col·lab·o·ra·tor \-ˈla-bə-ˌrā-tər\ noun ”

    http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collaborator

    Coloradans, I ask you–

    Where is the racial slur or epithet evident in using the word “collaborator” to describe Ward Connerly? Where is the “intimidation?”

    Now Coloradans, Obviously, Mikem also must not believe you are LITERATE, because in reviewing HIS posts to this thread, you’ll find rampant use of anti-black slurs and derogatory phrases, words I believe he wouldn’t DARE use in the physical proximity of Black Coloradans like, oh say…

    Alvin McKinley, Amon Gordan , or Kenard Lang.

    No, somehow I think this “courage” to use anti-black racial slurs only exists from the anonymous saftey of the blogosphere.

    Coloradans, you have a choice to make. Mikem has made it significantly clear with his posts where he stands in his thoughts on race.

    You can side with those on my side who understand that racism and sexism are still exists and those conditions must be ameliorated with government intervention.

    Or you can side with those on Mikem’s side, who not only would have those racist and sexist conditions continue unabated without the possibility of government intervention.

    –Cobra

  37. mikem May 5, 2007 at 1:26 pm | | Reply

    Of course, I and others merely report and comment on the racial slurs used by both black and white racial preference supporters to attack conservative blacks. Now Cobra and others wish to have their use of racial slurs hidden from view by attacking the witnesses as the problem. Good luck with that.

    “No, somehow I think this “courage” to use anti-black racial slurs only exists from the anonymous saftey of the blogosphere.”

    They are your slurs, not mine, but isn’t it sickening that anonymous Cobra calls me a coward for using a nickname mere days after threatening the owner of this website, whose name is posted, with the warning that his real identity is known, as follows:

    “Do you REALLY want your name attached to these poisonous edicts when the demographic chickens come home to roost in the VERY near future?

    Deep down, John, I grudgingly admire that you have the courage of your convictions.

    Deep down, I also, with regret, believe that these sown seeds will reap a devastating whirlwind in the coming years that will prove disastrous to this nation.”

    I wonder if Cobra got permission before he used the three Bronco players as symbols (and racial stereotypes, to Cobra’s discredit) of the violence that he has planned for those who do not cooperate with him, or like me, who comment on the racial slurs used against Ward Connerly by Cobra’s crowd of enforcers.

  38. Cobra May 6, 2007 at 3:55 pm | | Reply

    Mikem writes:

    >>>”Of course, I and others merely report and comment on the racial slurs used by both black and white racial preference supporters to attack conservative blacks. Now Cobra and others wish to have their use of racial slurs hidden from view by attacking the witnesses as the problem. Good luck with that.”

    You need to throw in the towel on this one, buddy. You can’t cut and paste the racial slurs you claim that I’ve used on this thread because…

    I haven’t used any.

    Coloradans, you have eyes. Re-read this thread from top to bottom, then decide for YOURSELVES who used racial slurs–Mikem or Cobra. It’s very simple.

    Mikem writes:

    >>>”I wonder if Cobra got permission before he used the three Bronco players as symbols (and racial stereotypes, to Cobra’s discredit) of the violence that he has planned for those who do not cooperate with him…”

    I threatened no violence. I just used logic. America is turning into a majority-non-white population. Putting one’s name on legislation that is pro-white given this irrefutable population reality is certainly not going to increase one’s fan base. It’s not a “threat” to predict a backlash against anti-minority legislation anymore than it’s a threat to say the decline of the honeybee population will be devastating to our agricultural infrastructure.

    Some people just can’t handle the truth, I guess.

    –Cobra

  39. Cobra May 6, 2007 at 4:07 pm | | Reply

    Mikem,

    By the way, I in NO WAY advocating the restriction of your free speech rights. I know plenty of white Americans who use racial and ethnic slurs both online and off. You aren’t breaking any new groud, Mikem.

    If you so choose, you’re allowed to go to Denver Broncos mini-camp, walk up to all of the African-American players, and call them any and all the anti-black racial slurs you used here on this blog.

    Just smile and tell them you’re trying to prove a point to a cartoonist who posts on a blog about this kind of thing.

    See how that works out for ya’.

    –Cobra

  40. mikem May 6, 2007 at 8:15 pm | | Reply

    “You can’t cut and paste the racial slurs you claim that I’ve used on this thread because I haven’t used any.”

    Strawman. I never said you or anyone else used them “on this thread”. (Why bother being “cute”, Cobra, when outright lying has been your style before?) You and your anti-Ward Connerly (and anti blacks-who-are-conservatives) racists have used racial slurs with joyous glee against Ward and other blacks for years. There are probably two people in America who have not read or heard of the repeated racist attacks on conservative blacks and especially Ward Connerly by racist blacks and whites, all of whom would call themselves “civil rights advocates” while doing so. It is just surreal to claim that Americans who report on the racist language of your cabal are racists for quoting it.

    But that is the type of thinking needed by people who justify racial and gender discrimination by pleading that discrimination not be ended, just redirected toward “the other guys”.

    “I threatened no violence.”

    Bullcrap. Being cute is definitely not working this time.

    “”Do you REALLY want your name attached to these poisonous edicts when the demographic chickens come home to roost in the VERY near future?

    Deep down, John, I grudgingly admire that you have the courage of your convictions.

    Deep down, I also, with regret, believe that these sown seeds will reap a devastating whirlwind in the coming years that will prove disastrous to this nation.”

    Gee Cobra, for someone who is not trying to sound ominous, you sure REALLY “admire” (but “grudgingly”)John’s “courage” in using his real name. Especially with the “chickens coming home to roost” in his “VERY near future”.

    “I threatened no violence. I just used logic.”

    Yeah. The same logic that Southern Democrats used against their generation of civil rights workers. How telling that you see yourself in their mold. Just perfectly appropriate.

    John, who Cobra directs his remarks to, uses his full name. And soon thereafter in this very thread “Cobra” calls me a coward for hiding behind a nickname (like him!!), fleshing out the violence he sees for people who defend Ward Connerly and his cause of colorblind government with the images of three huge black football players wrecking racial revenge.

    Your threats speak for themselves. The fact that you have managed in this thread to belie your own denial is just sweet. Nobody who has seen BAMN’s use of threats and violence against Ward Connerly’s Civil Rights Initiative in Michigan is surprised how this is starting out.

    ” By the way, I in NO WAY advocating the restriction of your free speech rights.”

    No, just threatening website owners and the millions of Americans who still believe in an America where no one’s children (even Irish and Asians!) are subject to State sponsored racial and gender discrimination

    But thanks anyway, Cobra. How magnanimous of you. Rest assured I wouldn’t allow you to anyway. You can count on me throwing back the racial slurs used against black conservatives and Civil Rights Initiative supporters to mock and humiliate their racist tormentors. Sunlight is a great disinfectant.

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