Discriminations

Can you believe the media pays more attention to a senate candidate thought to be presidential material than to an undergrad? Whats wrong with people these days?

From the AP story FIRE linked:

The Georgia Tech policy still bans physical assaults because of racial, ethnic or sexual identity.

I suppose otherwise they're OK?

"Can you believe the media pays more attention to a senate candidate thought to be presidential material than to an undergrad? "

Depends on the candidate. Biden(paraphrasing) "You can't walk into a 7-11 without an Indian accent"

Or Clinton (paraphrasing again) "If gandhi were alive, he'd own a 7-11"

I can't believe the media pays attention to half the things it does. Like making "macaca" a racial epithet.

"Or Clinton (paraphrasing again) "If gandhi were alive, he'd own a 7-11""

See I saw both of those on the media. But they did lack the mean spirited anti-foreigness of Allen.

"Macaca" is actually a very interesting term.

If you use the description of the term as a racial epithet against Muslims in North Africa, that's pretty telling in and of itself, considering that Allen's mother was French Tunisian and 5 languages were spoken in that household.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200608170005

If you take the dictionary definition of "Macaca"

>>>"Noun
1. Macaques; rhesus monkeys"

http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/translation/macaca

...then I guess the only thing that would make it WORSE is to add "porch" as a modifier.

Not that I can read Allen's mind or anything like that.

--Cobra

BTW, Love the title of this thread, John.

Wait...so, if I call you "macaca" in a not "mean-spirited way," then it is excusable?

"Wait...so, if I call you "macaca" in a not "mean-spirited way," then it is excusable"

Ya. I'm just having a hard time thinking of how you'd do it.

And here, just recently, is Andrew Young, Cater's ambassador to the UN"

"Andrew Young, the American civil rights leader who was hired by Wal- Mart Stores to improve its public image, has resigned from that post after telling an African-American newspaper that Jewish, Arab and Korean shop owners had "ripped off" urban communities for years, "selling us stale bread, and bad meat and wilted vegetables."

In the interview, published Thursday in The Los Angeles Sentinel, a weekly, Young said Wal-Mart should displace mom-and-pop stores in urban neighborhoods.

"You see, those are the people who have been overcharging us," he said of the owners of the small stores, "and they sold out and moved to Florida. I think they've ripped off our communities enough. First it was Jews, then it was Koreans and now it's Arabs."

"Ya. I'm just having a hard time thinking of how you'd do it."

I have the same problem with people using the N-word in a non-"mean-spirited way," but there are evidently people who believe it can be done.

And Dom, you don't understand. Stereotyping Jewish, Arab, and Korean shop owners was probably not done in a mean-spirited way, either. Why resign?

"I have the same problem with people using the N-word in a non-"mean-spirited way," but there are evidently people who believe it can be done."

I actually found a way with the macaca. Its the way we're all doing it here. We're not making fun of anyone for having a foreign sounding name.

Her name, by the way, is "Malhotra", not "Malhorta" or "Mahorta". It's a fairly common Indian name, best known in this country from Columbus Blue Jackets center Manny Malhotra.

"I actually found a way with the macaca. Its the way we're all doing it here. We're not making fun of anyone for having a foreign sounding name."

Actually, I think if I ran around calling my homies "macaca" that wouldn't be "mean-spirited" either, would it? That's the logic with the N-word users.

Sharon writes:

>>>"Actually, I think if I ran around calling my homies "macaca" that wouldn't be "mean-spirited" either, would it?"

Do you think Sen. George Allen considered S.R. Sidarth his "homie?"

--Cobra

Nope, but I was addressing Actus' claim that the N-word can be used in a not "mean-spirited way." Was Allen "mean-spirited"? Perhaps. But would he have been less "mean-spirited" had he addressed Sidarth as "him" or "you"? Probably not, but the flap about "macaca" would just be caca.

"Nope, but I was addressing Actus' claim that the N-word can be used in a not "mean-spirited way.""

I made no such claim.

So, you didn't try to distinguish between Hillary Clinton saying Gandhi would be running a 7/11 and Allen's comment? You didn't say her comment "lacked the mean-spirited anti-foreigner" slant? Scroll up.

Your comment was that Allen's remark was different because it was "mean-spirited." I asked if it were possible to say things in a "non-mean-spirited way" and that if so, it takes the offensiveness out of the statement. Either way, "macaca" isn't nice, but it's not a racial epithet, either.

Sharon writes:

>>>"Either way, "macaca" isn't nice, but it's not a racial epithet, either."

If you were Tunisian, like George Allen's mother, you wouldn't define "macaca" as you just did. Under what context do you think George Allen first heard the term, and why would he feel the need to use the term to describe Mr. Sidarth?

--Cobra

It's irrelevant, Cobra. Using your theory, virtually any noun could be an epithet. To most Americans, "macaca" wouldn't be considered one, but, as I already pointed out, would it be equally "mean-spirited" if he had called Sidarth "you" or "him"?

"To most Americans, "macaca" wouldn't be considered one, but, as I already pointed out, would it be equally "mean-spirited" if he had called Sidarth "you" or "him"?"

It would have been mean spirited if he called him 'different.' Intent matters.

Oh, I see. So now "different" is an epithet?

"Oh, I see. So now "different" is an epithet?"

See, you're stuck on the word. Its the intent and context that matters.

"See, you're stuck on the word. Its the intent and context that matters."

Nope, I'm not stuck on the word at all. Now you are making my point.

"Nope, I'm not stuck on the word at all"

Ya. You're only focusing on the word, not the ways it can be used.

"Ya. You're only focusing on the word, not the ways it can be used."

Hmm, you might want to reread my posts. Here's a couple of examples:

"would it be equally "mean-spirited" if he had called Sidarth "you" or "him"?"--posted 8/23 10:02 p.m.

"But would he have been less "mean-spirited" had he addressed Sidarth as "him" or "you"? Probably not, but the flap about "macaca" would just be caca."--posted 8/23 3:07 p.m.

Try reading next time.

"Hmm, you might want to reread my posts. Here's a couple of examples:"

That really doesn't clear it up. A word can be used in a mean spirited fashion or not.

Yes, it does clear it up. Your response made my point.