More “Coming Together” Rhetoric…

Reader and blogger Hube sends another good example of “coming together” rhetoric.

The Rev. James Meeks, a Chicago-area minister who had considered running for governor, blasts Gov. Blagojevich and Mayor Daley as “slave masters” and black politicians who support them as “house n—–s.”

“These kids who started in kindergarten, they wasn’t messed up when they started in kindergarten. They were not messed up in the first grade. They did not get messed up until they enrolled in the Mayor Daley run-school system.”

….

“The slave master never wants the slave to learn how to read and never wants the slave to learn how to write,” Meeks said in the earlier speech. “So now we don’t have slave masters. We got governors. We don’t have slave masters. We got mayors.”

He went on to denounce black politicians and preachers who support such politicians as “house n—–s.”

….

He said he does not consider the term “n—–” as “derogatory or offensive.”

I suppose that if Governors and Mayors are as racist as this rhetoric supposes they in turn won’t regard “slave masters” as offensive. I, however, do.

Say What? (36)

  1. Rhymes With Right July 29, 2006 at 1:13 pm | | Reply

    I’m curious — does this mean it is now acceptable to call black political opponents “n!ggers”?

    If that is what Meeks is saying, might I suggest that the n!gger is crazy — and I wonder if Meeks would consider my use of the word to be “not a bad word, not a curse word”, but a “term of endearment”, just as he claims it is in the article.

  2. Cobra July 29, 2006 at 2:49 pm | | Reply

    It’s almost ALWAYS informative and enlightening when whites get together and discuss the “proper application” of racial slurs and epithets towards non-whites.

    –Cobra

  3. Rhymes With Right July 29, 2006 at 7:30 pm | | Reply

    And it is ALWAYS informative and enlightening when non-whites hold themselves to a lower standard than they hold themselves while claiming to believe in racial equality.

  4. Rhymes With Right July 29, 2006 at 7:31 pm | | Reply

    And it is ALWAYS informative and enlightening when non-whites hold themselves to a lower standard than they hold whites while claiming to believe in racial equality.

  5. Shouting Thomas July 29, 2006 at 8:45 pm | | Reply

    Cobra,

    What’s up? I thought you had ceased to be permanently offended.

    But, the stars are still in alignment. You are still living, it appears, solely for the pleasure of racial resentment.

    Do you ever just have a good time, or is your entire existence devoted to unearthing grievances? I mean, do you ever just play basketball? (Can’t wait for you to jump on that line.)

  6. Laura(southernxyl) July 29, 2006 at 11:56 pm | | Reply

    Cobra, because the lectures we get about the use of the n-word, how it’s ok under this circumstance but not that, how it’s ok uttered by this mouth but not that, are a recurring source of amusement to us.

    Sometimes it’s laugh or cry.

  7. april July 30, 2006 at 3:47 am | | Reply

    I accidentally ran upon this website and i wish i hadn’t. I have been reading through the various topics here and i have one question for you. Do you all believe in white priviledge? Do you all believe that minorities have equal access to opportunities as whites in this country? Do you believe that racism is still very present? Do you believe that qualified minorities get jobs as easily as non-qualified whites in this country who came from the “right family”, or know the “right people”. All you have to do is look at our current president. How greedy can you be? There are hard working minorities in this country who deserve to be successful but have that taken away from them every day simply because of the color of their skin. I wonder what you would suggest we should do ensure that this country is the land of equal opportunity, and not just for whites, as history has shown us and continues to show us. I am from a city where the unemployment rate for African Americans is far higher than it is for whites. I know many young, intelligent, minorites who have college degrees here who are forced to move because they have no future here. What would you suggest to remedy that. Or do you just like to complain because A FEW white people lost jobs to minorities. You could never no what minorities experience in this country from day to day. Do you think that minorities have access to a good education or do think they are just dumb due to biology. And by the way, the effects of how minorities have been treated throughout history play a huge part in the psyche of minorities and the ways they think about themselves. It breaks my heart to see the self doubt and self hatred in these communities hold them back and it is thinking like that viewed on this website that help encourage that. I think you all should think a little differently about how you view minorities and what they have to experience every day in this hypocritical country; you will never really know how deep the wounds really go because you don’t have to live it or even really deal with it if you choose not to. Thanks, and i am looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

  8. Cobra July 30, 2006 at 9:02 am | | Reply

    Rhymes with Right,

    What is the origin of the n-word? Who set the ORIGINAL standard for its use?

    –Cobra

  9. dchamil July 30, 2006 at 11:00 am | | Reply

    I agree, april. I also wish you hadn’t found this site. The constant refrain of racism, racism is getting tiresome.

  10. Hube July 30, 2006 at 12:49 pm | | Reply

    April: Would you call people like La Shawn Barber “sell outs” … or something worse … b/c (as minorities) they feel quite differently than you?

    Just curious.

  11. Cobra July 30, 2006 at 12:56 pm | | Reply

    April writes:

    >>>” I think you all should think a little differently about how you view minorities and what they have to experience every day in this hypocritical country; you will never really know how deep the wounds really go because you don’t have to live it or even really deal with it if you choose not to.”

    Ah, but that’s the very appeal of the new white nationalism movement. It’s not enough anymore to simply dismiss, or trivialize the experiences of non-whites. Oh no. There is a heightened sense of purpose–a chest-thumping eurocentric swagger among many of the anti-affirmative action types that often manifests itself in large numbers. Kaucasian Krowd Kourage is an enabling device for racial epithets and slurs that for about twenty years, stayed behind closed doors, or in monoracial circles.

    Now is the time for that backlash, apparently, April.

    As my very good buddy, Stephen put it…

    “The stars are still in allignment”

    Look at the right winged conservative movement, with it’s pro white think tanks, talk-radio, bloggers and cable news outlets. They’ve formed a comfort level amongst the flock with hate-mongers like Limbaugh, Savage, Coulter, O’Reilly and Hannity. The unwashed masses are willing to accept any anti-minority vitriol because of the white paternalism inherant…

    “White male authoritarian figure with money and status says something…so that something must be true, and it’s something that must be followed.”

    And often, that “something” is derision and contempt for minorities, because it’s part of the Southern Strategy script.

    Laura writes:

    >>>”Cobra, because the lectures we get about the use of the n-word, how it’s ok under this circumstance but not that, how it’s ok uttered by this mouth but not that, are a recurring source of amusement to us.”

    One, who gave you a lecture on it, and what was the context?

    Two, upon what grounds would you ever consider using it?

    I understand the context of using it when reciting “Huckleberry Finn”, or the Nixon Whitehouse Tapes.

    I really don’t have a cause for using it in a normal conversation.

    –Cobra

  12. Cobra July 30, 2006 at 1:32 pm | | Reply

    April,

    Speaking of Lashawn Barber…

    >>>”

    Last week one of my black liberal readers (Cobra), someone I hardly ever agree with, and vice versa, wrote the following in a comment thread:

    As an African American liberal, I SUPPORT people like LaShawn Barber, even though we rarely agree, and here’s why. I know that LaShawn will call things as she sees it, based upon her strong principles, and she does occasionally rebuke Republicans and conservatives when she feels they’re out of line (albeit, not as frequently as I would like her to.) That’s more than I can say for the boiler-plate, peroxide blonde, aryan-cheerleader types that infest conservative radio and cable news lately.

    In other words, if LaShawn turns on a right winger, you best believe her words will carry a lot more weight.”

    Lashawn wrote a post about me before I got BANNED

    Apparently, I support her a heckuva lot more than she supports my viewpoints.

    –Cobra

  13. Laura(southernxyl) July 30, 2006 at 1:56 pm | | Reply

    Cobra, are you referring to John and those commenters who agree with him as white nationalists?????

    Please clarify. I think I want some clarification before I answer the questions you put to me.

  14. John Rosenberg July 30, 2006 at 2:13 pm | | Reply

    April asks:

    Do you all believe in white priviledge?

    I can’t speak for us all, whoever we are, but, speaking only

    for myself, no, I don’t believe in white privilege.

    Do you all believe that minorities have equal access to opportunities as whites in this country?

    At the risk (which I usually try to avoid at all costs) of sounding Cllintonian, that depends on what you mean by “equal” and “access.”

    For example, consider: do minorities have “equal access” to public libraries in this country? Well, yes and no. I’m not aware of any public libraries that exclude minorities these days.

    Are public libraries more accessible to people who live in predominantly white neighborhoods than predominantly minority neighborhoods? Possibly.

    Is the rate of illiteracy higher among minorities than others, and, if so, should that be regarded as limiting “equal access” to public libraries? Possibly. If that is so, should public libraries be required to engage in affirmative action, to promote “diversity” among their patrons, by treating minority readers more favorably than others? Absolutely not.

    Do you believe that racism is still very present?

    “Very”? I’m not sure, but there’s certainly still some racism, a belief that some races are better or worse than others. Of course, by that definition some minority people are also racist. Perhaps you mean, “is racial discrimination still very present”? Most definitely, and it should be stamped out, including when it is done to promote “diversity.”

    Do you believe that qualified minorities get jobs as easily as non-qualified whites in this country who came from the “right family”, or know the “right people.”

    Connections help, no doubt about it. But I do doubt whether, absent connections, many unqualified whites are hired instead of more qualified minorities.

    I wonder what you would suggest we should do ensure that this country is the land of equal opportunity, and not just for whites….

    My suggestion is the same one liberals and progressives and civil rights advocates favored from the 1830s through the 1960s — pass and enforce laws recognizing the right of every American to be treated without regard to race, creed, color, or national origin.

  15. Hube July 30, 2006 at 2:36 pm | | Reply

    Cobra is in rare form I see. Hyperbole overdrive at its finest.

    Too bad it’s nothing but a big yawner.

  16. DavidJ July 30, 2006 at 3:18 pm | | Reply

    >>I am from a city where the unemployment rate for African Americans is far higher than it is for whites.

    Ah, you must live on Earth.

    >>That’s more than I can say for the boiler-plate, peroxide blonde, aryan-cheerleader types that infest conservative radio and cable news lately.

    What’s the farthest-right white commentator that you support?

    >>They’ve formed a comfort level amongst the flock with hate-mongers like Limbaugh, Savage, Coulter, O’Reilly and Hannity. The unwashed masses are willing to accept any anti-minority vitriol because of the white paternalism inherant…

    *Any* anti-minority vitriol? And they’re constantly spewing this stuff? Really! Limbaugh, for instance, just about got tarred and feathered for suggesting a black quarterback was overrated. Tendentious nimrod though he may be, he gets my sympathy.

  17. Cobra July 30, 2006 at 3:54 pm | | Reply

    Laura writes:

    >>>”Cobra, are you referring to John and those commenters who agree with him as white nationalists?????

    Please clarify. I think I want some clarification before I answer the questions you put to me.”

    Laura, I have never specifically called John, or any commentors “white nationalists”. Do many of the comments and arguments here by the anti-affirmative action types CLOSELY RESEMBLE those of “white nationalists?”

    Read for yourself:

    Symposium on White Nationalism

    Take special note, in this article from Front Page Magazine, hardly a bastion of liberalism, the comments of Jared Taylor, editor of American Renaissance.

    >>>”Let us not overlook some very important facts:

    Only whites outside the “mainstream” are prepared to point out the obvious: there is a great deal of black-on-white violent crime and very little white-on-black crime.

    “Affirmative action” is nothing more than officially sanctioned racial discrimination against whites.

    “Affirmative action” for immigrants is an outrage that would be unthinkable if whites had even the faintest sense of racial solidarity.

    Massive third-world immigration is transforming this country in countless undesirable ways.

    It is an obvious double standard to encourage every non-white group to celebrate their heritage and achievements while condemning similar expressions by whites as “racism.”

    Black and Hispanic failure is due largely to differences in ability rather than to “oppression” by whites.

    Blaming the failures of non-whites on white “racism” only encourages non-whites to hate whites.”

    Now, if these statements sound familiar…draw your own conclusions. Like I said, I can’t read people’s minds…only their writings.

    Hube writes:

    >>>”Cobra is in rare form I see. Hyperbole overdrive at its finest.

    Too bad it’s nothing but a big yawner.”

    C’mon Hube…you know you can’t throw a fat steak like this one into the dog pound and not get a bite or two.

    –Cobra

  18. John Rosenberg July 30, 2006 at 6:50 pm | | Reply

    Although affirmative action demonstrably is “officially sanctioned racial discrimination against whites,” I would never say it is nothing more than that. It’s lots of things, well-intentioned being one of them.

    Also, I would have thought it would be clear to any long-time readers of this blog that I — and the great preponderance of commenters here — abhor “racial solidarity” of any kind. Thus I’m not sure what Cobra has in mind, if anything, in suggesting that the predominant point of view expressed here has anything at all in common with what Jared Taylor writes.

  19. Laura(southernxyl) July 30, 2006 at 7:41 pm | | Reply

    I’ll go for racial solidarity with the human race. But I love my kittycats too, so don’t read too much into that.

    Cobra, I never use the n-word unless I am quoting directly, as you say, Huck Finn, and even then my mouth doesn’t want to form it. We white folks tend to develop very strong inhibitions against letting anything slip out of our mouths that might get us into trouble. For instance, I might refer to a white person who can clearly and succintly state her views as “articulate” but I would never use that word to describe a similar black person. Because it’s become a sort of code for white people trying too hard to be complimentary of black folks and hence revealing their stereotypes. See how we overanalyze?

    And it’s hard when we’re around black people who use that word all the time … it’s hard not to pick it up accidentally. Sometimes I accidentally use black English (subject/verb agreement, etc.) because I hear it so much and I’m afraid my black coworkers will think I’m making fun of them.

    Recently I pronounced the n-word in conversation with my daughter. Can’t remember why, maybe I was talking about Robert Byrd. But it was definitely a direct quote and important in the context. She kind of jumped and said she had never heard that word come out of my mouth before, and had never expected to.

    Interesting article. I think this is a silly statement from Swain: “The primary goal of the new white nationalism is the preservation of white European culture and values.” I’ll give up my Jane Austin when you pry my cold dead hands off of it. Does that make me a white nationalist?

  20. Shouting Thomas July 30, 2006 at 8:14 pm | | Reply

    John,

    Cobra’s comments have become so vitriolic and crazy that it’s become irresponsible to publish them.

    He’s accusing a number of well known public figures of being virtual fronts for the Ku Klux Klan. Accusing women of being “aryan?” You really want to be associate with this kind of trash?

    I have no doubt that you would refuse to allow such lunatic ranting from a white correspondent. Why allow a delusional maniac (and overt racist) a public forum?

    It’s your board, but believe me it looks very bad.

  21. Rhymes With Right July 30, 2006 at 8:29 pm | | Reply

    Dare I suggest to you, Cobra, that the origin is irrelevant? Either its use is acceptable by all, or it is not acceptable at all — and those who claim otherwise apply a racial double-standard which rejects Dr. King’s call to judge not on the color of one’s skin but upon the content of one’s character.

  22. Hube July 30, 2006 at 10:15 pm | | Reply

    Cobra: Not that it’s really news to anyone who regularly reads this site, but you really ought to know how utterly ridiculous you are when you make the “kindred spirit” argument. It can work both ways. The difference between John (and many commenters) and you is that we don’t stoop to that level of ridiculousness. You do.

  23. David Nieporent July 30, 2006 at 11:50 pm | | Reply

    Talking about Cobra’s link…

    Carol Swain’s class at Princeton was one of the best I took; it was a seminar on race and politics. It was a while ago, but I remember specifically her lectures on racial gerrymandering of legislative districts.

    Taylor is a thoroughly repugnant human being, but unfortunately he’s the natural end product of the Cobra-endorsed racial identity politics of the left. If blacks are going to vote as a bloc, demand their own separate seats in Congress, their own separate admissions policies to college, quotas in admissions, jobs, politics, and every other area, then there are going to be whites who do the same in backlash.

    Most whites were (and are) willing to sign on to appeals to the principles of equality and individual merit which they thought the civil rights movement stood for. But if the self-proclaimed civil rights groups are going to turn around and say that group membership is overriding, then whites are naturally going to pick their own group over another group. For a while, guilt over legal discrimination will mitigate that effect, but as more and more people arrive who weren’t even born when Brown was handed down by the Supreme Court, that guilt is fading.

    I think this quote from the link sums up the point perfectly: “Walters: I agree with the comments of Taylor that color-blindness is not only probably not possible, but that it is, from my perspective, not desirable.”

    It’s not the ordinary whites who Cobra denounces who agree with the “white nationalists.” It’s the decrepit remains of the civil rights movement who agree with the “white nationalists.”

  24. Rhymes With Right July 30, 2006 at 11:54 pm | | Reply

    Certain elements of “white nationalism” you quote are, arguably, true — and I think you might be inclined to agree with some of them yourself. After all, would you deny the statistics vis-a-vis black on white violent crime is proportionally more common than white on black violent crime? After all, that is a verifiable statement, and making it is not racist — unless you wish to argue that the very act of pointing out the statistical reality in that regard is racist.

    Hitler opposed smoking as unhealthy, supported higher wages for workers and a higher standard of living for the lower classes (it was called National SOCIALISM for a reason, you know). Does the fact that you support those same things make you a Nazi, or a fellow traveler with that malign philosophy? Does the fact that these were part of the Nazi agenda make the ideas invalid?

  25. vnjagvet July 31, 2006 at 12:23 am | | Reply

    Cobra:

    What about folk who agree in general with the writings of Thomas Sowell, John McWhirter, Bill Cosby and Juan Williams?

    Are they prima facie racists?

  26. Cobra July 31, 2006 at 1:47 am | | Reply

    Hube writes:

    >>>”Cobra: Not that it’s really news to anyone who regularly reads this site, but you really ought to know how utterly ridiculous you are when you make the “kindred spirit” argument. It can work both ways. The difference between John (and many commenters) and you is that we don’t stoop to that level of ridiculousness. You do.”

    Oh, I disagree. People and organizations that support Affirmative Action are frequently pilloried here.

    I don’t mind that, because that’s the nature of America. I’m actually shocked that you don’t recognize the concept of White Nationalism, given the facts presented.

    Furthermore, Hube, you know you can take the statements I’ve posted from Jared Taylor and find numerous similar statements from the Discriminations archives. Does that make everyone here who disagrees with me a Jared Taylor fan? Not necessarily, but my granddad used to say if you run through the weeds long enough, you’re gonna come up with some ticks. Maybe YOU don’t know, or WANT to know who’s sharing a pew with you in the Church of Anti-Affirmative Action, but rest assured, I’ll point some of the more “colorful” ones out to you.

    David J writes:

    >>>”What’s the farthest-right white commentator that you support?”

    I don’t “support” commentators in general, but you know what? John Rosenberg isn’t too shabby.

    >>>”*Any* anti-minority vitriol? And they’re constantly spewing this stuff? Really! Limbaugh, for instance, just about got tarred and feathered for suggesting a black quarterback was overrated. Tendentious nimrod though he may be, he gets my sympathy.”

    Tarred and feathered by whom? The so-called “liberal media?” Are you kidding me? Vince McMahon couldn’t have come up with a better “work” than that ESPN fiasco. To Rush’s 15 to 20 million core listeners it was just another affirmation of the belief system. I myself find it hard to have sympathy for a guy who makes quotes like:

    ““You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray. We miss you, James. Godspeed. [4/23/98]”

    David N writes:

    >>>”Taylor is a thoroughly repugnant human being, but unfortunately he’s the natural end product of the Cobra-endorsed racial identity politics of the left.”

    Oh no…people with Taylor’s views have been around LONG before anybody like me came along.

    >>>”It’s not the ordinary whites who Cobra denounces who agree with the “white nationalists.”

    I don’t denounce “ordinary whites”. The people I have the biggest issue with are those who endorse a system that works demonstrably against African-, Hispanic- and Native Americans. There are MILLIONS of white liberals and progressives, even moderates who share my opinion on Affirmative Action and there are non-whites like Ward Connerly and Clarence Thomas whom I have far more of a problem with than Jared Taylor. Heck, Jared Taylor makes my arguments for me.

    Speaking of which…

    Stephen writes:

    >>>”He’s accusing a number of well known public figures of being virtual fronts for the Ku Klux Klan. Accusing women of being “aryan?” You really want to be associate with this kind of trash?”

    Hold on now…don’t get ahead of yourself. You should’ve waited for my CARTOON on the subject. Now you’re ready to insult me properly.

    Stephen writes:

    >>>”I have no doubt that you would refuse to allow such lunatic ranting from a white correspondent. “

    I had to apologize to my neighbors after reading this one. I haven’t laughed THAT loud in ages. Stephen, I was in your old haunts Friday night, down at the Sandbar in Jersey City.

    Honestly, after that one…I would’ve bought you a round, and gave you a big ol’ hug.

    –Cobra

  27. mikem July 31, 2006 at 5:46 am | | Reply

    “I myself find it hard to have sympathy for a guy who makes quotes like:

    ““You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray. We miss you, James. Godspeed. [4/23/98]”

    Cobra

    It took me five minutes to research google on that quote and in several of the links on the very first google page it was cited by, guess who… Cobra himself. (And that is without adding “cobra” to the search terms.) And he’s been citing it going on a year now. If anyone is wondering why Cobra doesn’t provide a link, it’s not because he doesn’t want to. You see, he did often link, in the prior citations ( at LaShawn’s, for instance, on 10/08/06) to a Wikiquote article that now does not contain his cited quote. My guess is that someone edited a phony Limbaugh quote into Limbaugh’s entry and then Wikiquote removed it when they realized that it was a phony. No media source links. No transcript links.

    Limbaugh never said any such thing, obviously, or it would have been all over the media, and certainly I would not have found Cobra himself to be a main source on so many blogs if it was even considered a decent, if dishonest, slander against Limbaugh.

    Limbaugh is a loud brash voice, one that I sometimes find myself in disagreement with, and one whose tone I quite often disagree with, but he would never falsely quote even his worst antagonist, especially with such ugly words. But such behavior seems to be within the bounds for Limbaugh’s critics.

    I can’t say I’m surprised to see your fingerprints on something as despicable as this, Cobra. I’m not shaking off any sense of shock.

    I think that falsely quoting anyone, let alone a public figure, is scumbag behavior. And Cobra has been making a habit of doing it to Limbaugh for a year now.

  28. DavidJ July 31, 2006 at 6:17 am | | Reply

    >>Tarred and feathered by whom? The so-called “liberal media?” Are you kidding me? Vince McMahon couldn’t have come up with a better “work” than that ESPN fiasco. To Rush’s 15 to 20 million core listeners it was just another affirmation of the belief system.

    Why, he got away with making a blameless comment with naught but viscious character smears, the dastardly fiend.

    If you seriously think he’s going on his radio show weekly and talking about what a fantastic thing it was that MLK got assassinated and middle class white America is just eating it up… well, what an interesting reality you must live in.

  29. DavidJ July 31, 2006 at 6:19 am | | Reply

    >>I can’t say I’m surprised to see your fingerprints on something as despicable as this, Cobra. I’m not shaking off any sense of shock.

    >>I think that falsely quoting anyone, let alone a public figure, is scumbag behavior.

    Never attribute to malice what can be ascribed to incompetence… yeesh, things are tense enough in here already.

  30. sharon July 31, 2006 at 8:32 am | | Reply

    “I accidentally ran upon this website and i wish i hadn’t. I have been reading through the various topics here and i have one question for you. Do you all believe in white priviledge? Do you all believe that minorities have equal access to opportunities as whites in this country? Do you believe that racism is still very present? Do you believe that qualified minorities get jobs as easily as non-qualified whites in this country who came from the “right family”, or know the “right people”.”

    This doesn’t appear to be one question to me. How did this nutcase get on here? We already have Cobra saying anyone who doesn’t embrace Affirmative Action is a racist. What more could you want?

  31. Rhymes With Right July 31, 2006 at 10:18 pm | | Reply

    Interestingly enough, Cobra doesn’t want to take on the statistical issue that he equates with so-called “white nationalism”.

    Come on, Cobra — are you saying that quoting valid, truthful statistics is an act of racism?

  32. Steven Jens July 31, 2006 at 10:23 pm | | Reply

    First off, I hope April comes back. I hope she at least reads John’s response to her frustrated comment. But I also hope she chimes in once in a while, sharing her perspective with us, while also coming to understand that one doesn’t have to believe that the world is perfect — that nobody is ever held back in the private sector because of the color of their skin — in order to believe that further discrimination by the government is inappropriate.

    Mostly, though, I want to chime in on one of the less-important threads here. Limbaugh ran into trouble not just for suggesting that McNabb was overrated when McNabb was black — he suggested that McNabb was overrated *because* he was black. Many people of unsound mind thought he was saying that blacks are inferior, when he was actually accusing the media of being biased in favor of blacks.

    My own view at the time was that McNabb was overrated either by chance or because he was playing in a major media market. After all, Michael Vick was underrated, it seemed to me, and he’s black and playing in a much smaller market. Frankly, Vick is also an unusual quarterback and arguably misused, which doesn’t help his image. But the Falcons did *much* worse when he was injured than when he was playing.

    Later on in the season, Limbaugh retracted his comment about McNabb being overrated, and I had to agree that he looked a lot better than he had in the first few weeks of the season.

    Ultimately, though, any mistake Limbaugh made was a reasonable mistake of judgment. He (and I) may have been mistaken about McNabb’s talent; even if not, he may have made a mistake in attributing McNabb’s popularity to a desire in the media for a black quarterback to be successful. But I can’t see how what he said was unreasonable, and I think he was overvilified for it.

  33. Cobra August 1, 2006 at 1:49 am | | Reply

    There must be something in the water here.

    People are denying that Rush Limbaugh, of all people, could have possibly made such a statement about James Earl Ray after his death back in the 90’s.

    Yes, I sourced Wikipedia, and its list of quotes on African Americans by Limbaugh. I’m not the ORIGINATOR of the quote. Rush Limbaugh is. I’m not the ONLY one citing the quote.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jack-huberman/rush-limbaugh-is-still-sc_b_24724.html

    The McNabb controversy, and prescription drug abuse, arrest and prosecution have superceded the quotes about African Americans on that page.

    The problem with some of my friends who are out to defend Limbaugh at all costs is that the James Earl Ray quote is certainly not the ONLY vile, repugnant thing to fly out of Rush’s mouth. I’m not even going to broach Limbaugh’s defense of slavery, or “bones in noses of black callers” quotes, beacuse…well, anybody who does a half-hearted search of Limbaugh would come across them, and others. The

    DavidJ writes:

    >>>”If you seriously think he’s going on his radio show weekly and talking about what a fantastic thing it was that MLK got assassinated and middle class white America is just eating it up… well, what an interesting reality you must live in.”

    Do you believe that MLK when he was alive was “embraced” by middle class white America? More importantly, do you believe that the elderly, white conservative audience base of Rush Limbaugh “embraced” MLK, or the civil rights movement in general?

    When are you people going to finally get that there are millions of people in America who still think blacks are inferior to whites? When are you going to understand that within the last generation it was a FELONY in many states for blacks and white to marry? When are you going to understand that housing segregation is rampant in 2006 America? Limbaugh is successful because he’s niche marketed white paternalism based upon the dark fear and closeted paranoia of a demographic that longs for the good ol’ pre-60’s American system.

    Rhymes with Right:

    >>>”Interestingly enough, Cobra doesn’t want to take on the statistical issue that he equates with so-called “white nationalism”.

    Come on, Cobra — are you saying that quoting valid, truthful statistics is an act of racism?”

    Not at all. This thread isn’t about “black on black crime”, but in other threads, I’ve successfully shown, via FBI statistics that there are more white criminals in America than black, and that whites should have a greater fear of other whites than of blacks as far as crime is concerned.

    Sharon writes:

    >>>”We already have Cobra saying anyone who doesn’t embrace Affirmative Action is a racist. What more could you want?”

    Now when did I ever say that?

    –Cobra

  34. mikem August 1, 2006 at 5:35 am | | Reply

    Yeah, Huffington Post, the very first google link. And what is the article? A recent book author plugging his leftist version of Coulter’s book, including many Limbaugh quotes that your previous source, Wikiquote, removed because they could find no source for the quote. (Other than dishonest slanderers who post at blogs.) At least Coulter provides news sources when she cites someone.

    I think what you are doing is reprehensible. Limbaugh is a very un-PC speaker. He says plenty that a hypocritical PC monger could point to. But he would never stoop to your level.

    And how telling that you stopped trying to use Wikiquote as your source (It was your only cited source previously) when they removed it as lacking a source and yet you keep posting it as if it is true, despite obviously knowing otherwise. So much for David J.’s good hearted attempt to blame incompetence, not malice.

    “‘We already have Cobra saying anyone who doesn’t embrace Affirmative Action is a racist. What more could you want?’

    Now when did I ever say that?”

    You stated that those opposed to AA were wishing for the days of lynching. In fact you made one statement where you described them as KKK members in nice clothes. You posted both right here within the last few years. I remember so clearly because I threw them back in your face a few times when you later patted yourself on your back for being a “civil voice” at Discriminations.

    I’ll add a caveat here, because, well, I’m not you. My memory is that only one of those two hateful remarks by you was addressed to anti-AA people. The other was addressed to those defending Horowitz’s right to publish, on campus (gasp), his “Ten Reasons” regarding reparations.

  35. David Nieporent August 1, 2006 at 6:52 am | | Reply

    Do you believe that MLK when he was alive was “embraced” by middle class white America?

    Yes. You may not have noticed, but Congress passed the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act. And then repeatedly expanded each of these when the courts interpreted them narrowly.

    When are you people going to finally get that there are millions of people in America who still think blacks are inferior to whites?

    Presumably by that, you mean the millions of black people who think blacks can’t succeed without racial preferences.

    Since there are 300,000,000 people in the U.S., one can select just about any idea and identify “millions of people” who believe it. (Heck, look at Scientology.) But when are you going to finally get that these people are an insignificant minority? When are you going to finally get that everyone with actual power in the U.S. disagrees with that? When are you going to finally get that every major institution in the U.S. — education, corporate America, the government, the military — came down in favor of the University of Michigan’s pro-minority policies?

    When are you going to notice that the one major party presidential candidate of the last forty years who opposed the Civil Rights Act (and he opposed it on non-racial grounds) lost in a tremendous landslide?

    When are you going to understand that within the last generation it was a FELONY in many states for blacks and white to marry?

    Key word: last. That’s long over. Loving was handed down forty years ago. Fifty percent of the population (as per the 2000 census) wasn’t even born the last time your statement was current.

    When are you going to understand that housing segregation is rampant in 2006 America?

    When you say “housing segregation,” you don’t actually mean discrimination, of course, which is so illegal and so frowned upon by the government that there are thousands of bureaucrats at all levels of government whose full-time jobs involve stamping out the rare cases where this occurs. You just mean residential patterns. But that’s hardly the same thing.

  36. Laura(southernxyl) August 1, 2006 at 8:31 am | | Reply

    Cobra, I did a little search on that James Earl Ray quote from Limbaugh. What I see is you, over and over, quoting that temporary Wikipedia thing like it’s the Encyclopedia Brittanica, and spreading it all over the blogosphere.

    Thou shalt not bear false witness.

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