Racial Preferences Die Hard, If At All

In 1998, by a substantial 58% majority, voters in Washington state passed Initiative I-200. It barred all governmental entities

from discriminating against or granting preferential treatment to individuals or groups based on race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in public employment, public education, or public contracting.

Nevertheless, as discussed here, here, and here, Washington officials ever since have been ceaselessly trying to escape, avoid, or ignore the new constitutional mandate.

For the past four years, the Seattle Times reports,

the city of Seattle tried to counteract the anti-affirmative-action constraints of Initiative 200 through the Boost program, spending $1.7 million to get minority contractors just 1.4 percent of the work on seven large city construction projects.

The City Council quietly killed the program late last year as it drafted a 2005 city budget, deeming Boost a bust.

Defenders of racial preferences often attempt to minimize their impact … except when predicting the dire consequences of their elimination. A good measure of how pervasive racial preference was in Washington state contracting is that the 1.4% of contracts that went to minority firms under the Boost program (3.5% went to women) is, as sthe SeaTimes article pointed ourt, “a far cry from the 30 percent of overall city construction dollars that went to women and minority contractors before I-200.”

Now Seattle mayor Greg Nicklels is proposing another end-run around I-200. Among its provisions are those that:

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  1. Claire January 25, 2005 at 1:38 pm | | Reply

    But the sad thing is that they don’t see it as discrimination. They’re discriminating to prevent discrimination.

    Isn’t that a lot like killing someone to save their life?

  2. Cobra January 25, 2005 at 2:41 pm | | Reply

    Claire writes:

    >>>Isn’t that a lot like killing someone to save their life?”

    Are you against chemotherapy as well? Same concept…some healthy cells are destroyed right alongside the malignant cancerous cells. It’s a sacrifice to overcome the greater evil.

    –Cobra

  3. John Rosenberg January 25, 2005 at 3:51 pm | | Reply

    cobra – Interesting comparison. I assume that you’d also favor eugenics, an effort to weed out inferior people for the benefit of the lucky remainders…. Unless, of course, at that point you suddenly discoveedr that the quaint concept of individual rights could come in handy.

  4. notherbob2 January 25, 2005 at 8:31 pm | | Reply

    Is it just me or are Cobra’s comments getting better?

  5. Kish January 25, 2005 at 11:11 pm | | Reply

    Any idea on why minority contractors get less projects without affirmative action? I’m a bit confused, since I doubt that there is actual real discrimination in play here, why can’t they get these projects without a leg up from everybody else?

  6. actus January 26, 2005 at 1:08 am | | Reply

    ‘I’m a bit confused, since I doubt that there is actual real discrimination in play here, why can’t they get these projects without a leg up from everybody else?’

    There may, despite your incredulity, be discrimination. There may be past discrimination which has hindered them from starting up and now the preferences are designed to overcome the barriers to entry that may exist in the imperfect market. Off the top of my head.

  7. leo cruz January 26, 2005 at 1:22 am | | Reply

    Cobra,

    the reverse of your claim is that the malignant cells are racial preferences and hence deserves to be excised, exterminated , expunged………

    Leo Cruz

  8. Cobra January 26, 2005 at 7:47 am | | Reply

    John writes:

    >>>cobra – Interesting comparison. I assume that you’d also favor eugenics, an effort to weed out inferior people for the benefit of the lucky remainders…. Unless, of course, at that point you suddenly discoveedr that the quaint concept of individual rights could come in handy.”

    Except for the fact that the American Eugenics movement was based on hard core racism, and individual rights of minorities, blacks in particular, were thought of as much as the justices in Plessy vs. Fergusson.

    There are still people who believe in Eugenics today, as witnessed in the Gene Expression blog.

    Leo,

    In your version, what kind of cells do racist white lords of power represent?

    –Cobra

  9. Stephen January 26, 2005 at 10:07 am | | Reply

    “racist white lords of power”

    This is one of your best bits, yet, Cobra. Please identify. Who are they?

  10. Rich January 26, 2005 at 10:31 am | | Reply

    >>>>>Claire writes:

    >>>Isn’t that a lot like killing someone to save their life?”

    Are you against chemotherapy as well? Same concept…some healthy cells are destroyed right alongside the malignant cancerous cells. It’s a sacrifice to overcome the greater evil.

    –Cobra

    ========

    So Cobra thinks that white men are a malignant cancer? Or does he think white men are evil?

    Either way, he sees discrimination against white men as a good thing.

    No doubt he’d be happier if we were all dead.

    Saw a news report a bit ago about a new black sherrif who’s first official act was to fire all the white employees of the sherrif’s department. No doubt this is just what Cobra would do in the same situation.

    Cobra, can you confirm that you applaud and support the action of this black sherrif?

    Rich

  11. ThePrecinctChair January 26, 2005 at 11:36 am | | Reply

    Well of course he does — haven’t you followed his comments here? Whites deserve to be suppressed, repressed, and oppressed, simply because of the color of their skin.

    Oh, and by the way, the heroes of the eugenics movement tended to be “enlightened” liberals who morphed into supporters of massive birth control and abortion to “help” blacks by limiting their numbers. Look into the history of Planned Parenthood and its foundress, Margret Sanger.

    And the reason some of these all black companies don’t get contracts without Affirmative Action is because they don’t do good work. I recall a case in chicago about 15-20 years ago in which a minority contractor at O’Hare couldn’t meet deadlines and was billing for cost-overruns due to its shoddy work needing to be redone to meet code. When the city tried to cancel the contract, a judge ruled that the city had no right to hold a minority firm in the AA program to the same standards as white-owned companies because their inferiority was the reason they needed the program in the first place.

  12. Gyp January 26, 2005 at 10:46 pm | | Reply

    Cobra, that’s quite a comparison, but you have it a little wrong. To compare racial discrimination to cancer is to say that discrimination is a cancer, right? And you’re giving the person MORE cancer to kill the cancer they already have.

    See, discrimination to solve discrimination isn’t like using chemotherapy to destroy cancer, because chemotherapy and cancer aren’t essentially the same thing.

    Nice try, though.

  13. leo cruz January 27, 2005 at 12:52 am | | Reply

    cobra says,

    In your version, what kind of cells do racist white lords of power represent?

    –Cobra

    cOBRA,

    tHAT IS EASY to answer, the malignant cells that need excison expungation and extermination are the white racists many of of whom support alumni legacy preferences. They are no different from black race preferentialists like lANI gUINER, cHRIS eDLEY ETC. gUINIER, edLEY ARE THE MALIGNANT CELLS WHOSE IDEAS NEED TO BE EXPUNGED FROM OUR SOCIETY. tHERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BLACK RACE PREFERENTIALISTS AND WHITE AND BLACK ALUMNI LEGACY PREFERENTIALISTS. tHE PREFERENCES THAT THEY BOTH BElieve in are nothing but an end run around the Civil Rights Act of 1964.In case you haven’t figured out yet Cobra, what is the difference between these people and the Ku Klux Klan and the supporters of Plessey vs. Ferguson. Think about Cobra……

  14. leo cruz January 27, 2005 at 12:52 am | | Reply

    cobra says,

    In your version, what kind of cells do racist white lords of power represent?

    –Cobra

    cOBRA,

    tHAT IS EASY to answer, the malignant cells that need excison expungation and extermination are the white racists many of of whom support alumni legacy preferences. They are no different from black race preferentialists like lANI gUINER, cHRIS eDLEY ETC. gUINIER, edLEY ARE THE MALIGNANT CELLS WHOSE IDEAS NEED TO BE EXPUNGED FROM OUR SOCIETY. tHERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BLACK RACE PREFERENTIALISTS AND WHITE AND BLACK ALUMNI LEGACY PREFERENTIALISTS. tHE PREFERENCES THAT THEY BOTH BElieve in are nothing but an end run around the Civil Rights Act of 1964.In case you haven’t figured out yet Cobra, what is the difference between these people and the Ku Klux Klan and the supporters of Plessey vs. Ferguson. Think about Cobra……

  15. leo cruz January 27, 2005 at 12:52 am | | Reply

    cobra says,

    In your version, what kind of cells do racist white lords of power represent?

    –Cobra

    cOBRA,

    tHAT IS EASY to answer, the malignant cells that need excison expungation and extermination are the white racists many of of whom support alumni legacy preferences. They are no different from black race preferentialists like lANI gUINER, cHRIS eDLEY ETC. gUINIER, edLEY ARE THE MALIGNANT CELLS WHOSE IDEAS NEED TO BE EXPUNGED FROM OUR SOCIETY. tHERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BLACK RACE PREFERENTIALISTS AND WHITE AND BLACK ALUMNI LEGACY PREFERENTIALISTS. tHE PREFERENCES THAT THEY BOTH BElieve in are nothing but an end run around the Civil Rights Act of 1964.In case you haven’t figured out yet Cobra, what is the difference between these people and the Ku Klux Klan and the supporters of Plessey vs. Ferguson. Think about Cobra……

  16. leo cruz January 27, 2005 at 12:52 am | | Reply

    cobra says,

    In your version, what kind of cells do racist white lords of power represent?

    –Cobra

    cOBRA,

    tHAT IS EASY to answer, the malignant cells that need excison expungation and extermination are the white racists many of of whom support alumni legacy preferences. They are no different from black race preferentialists like lANI gUINER, cHRIS eDLEY ETC. gUINIER, edLEY ARE THE MALIGNANT CELLS WHOSE IDEAS NEED TO BE EXPUNGED FROM OUR SOCIETY. tHERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BLACK RACE PREFERENTIALISTS AND WHITE AND BLACK ALUMNI LEGACY PREFERENTIALISTS. tHE PREFERENCES THAT THEY BOTH BElieve in are nothing but an end run around the Civil Rights Act of 1964.In case you haven’t figured out yet Cobra, what is the difference between these people and the Ku Klux Klan and the supporters of Plessey vs. Ferguson. Think about Cobra……

  17. leo cruz January 27, 2005 at 12:56 am | | Reply

    I hope no one is going to say that I am advocating the extermination of anyone. What needs to be exterminated are these ideas that alumni and race preferences.

  18. leo cruz January 27, 2005 at 1:00 am | | Reply

    I hope no one is gonna say that, I am advocating the extermination of anyone. I am not Margaret SAnger and her eugenecist ilk. What needs to be exterminated are these rotten ideas that alumni legacy and race preferences are correct. Oh yes, I forgot you cannot exterminate any idea no matter how foolish and senseless they are.

  19. leo cruz January 27, 2005 at 12:52 am | | Reply

    cobra says,

    In your version, what kind of cells do racist white lords of power represent?

    –Cobra

    cOBRA,

    tHAT IS EASY to answer, the malignant cells that need excison expungation and extermination are the white racists many of of whom support alumni legacy preferences. They are no different from black race preferentialists like lANI gUINER, cHRIS eDLEY ETC. gUINIER, edLEY ARE THE MALIGNANT CELLS WHOSE IDEAS NEED TO BE EXPUNGED FROM OUR SOCIETY. tHERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BLACK RACE PREFERENTIALISTS AND WHITE AND BLACK ALUMNI LEGACY PREFERENTIALISTS. tHE PREFERENCES THAT THEY BOTH BElieve in are nothing but an end run around the Civil Rights Act of 1964.In case you haven’t figured out yet Cobra, what is the difference between these people and the Ku Klux Klan and the supporters of Plessey vs. Ferguson. Think about Cobra……

  20. leo cruz January 27, 2005 at 12:52 am | | Reply

    cobra says,

    In your version, what kind of cells do racist white lords of power represent?

    –Cobra

    cOBRA,

    tHAT IS EASY to answer, the malignant cells that need excison expungation and extermination are the white racists many of of whom support alumni legacy preferences. They are no different from black race preferentialists like lANI gUINER, cHRIS eDLEY ETC. gUINIER, edLEY ARE THE MALIGNANT CELLS WHOSE IDEAS NEED TO BE EXPUNGED FROM OUR SOCIETY. tHERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BLACK RACE PREFERENTIALISTS AND WHITE AND BLACK ALUMNI LEGACY PREFERENTIALISTS. tHE PREFERENCES THAT THEY BOTH BElieve in are nothing but an end run around the Civil Rights Act of 1964.In case you haven’t figured out yet Cobra, what is the difference between these people and the Ku Klux Klan and the supporters of Plessey vs. Ferguson. Think about Cobra……

  21. leo cruz January 27, 2005 at 12:52 am | | Reply

    cobra says,

    In your version, what kind of cells do racist white lords of power represent?

    –Cobra

    cOBRA,

    tHAT IS EASY to answer, the malignant cells that need excison expungation and extermination are the white racists many of of whom support alumni legacy preferences. They are no different from black race preferentialists like lANI gUINER, cHRIS eDLEY ETC. gUINIER, edLEY ARE THE MALIGNANT CELLS WHOSE IDEAS NEED TO BE EXPUNGED FROM OUR SOCIETY. tHERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BLACK RACE PREFERENTIALISTS AND WHITE AND BLACK ALUMNI LEGACY PREFERENTIALISTS. tHE PREFERENCES THAT THEY BOTH BElieve in are nothing but an end run around the Civil Rights Act of 1964.In case you haven’t figured out yet Cobra, what is the difference between these people and the Ku Klux Klan and the supporters of Plessey vs. Ferguson. Think about Cobra……

  22. leo cruz January 27, 2005 at 12:52 am | | Reply

    cobra says,

    In your version, what kind of cells do racist white lords of power represent?

    –Cobra

    cOBRA,

    tHAT IS EASY to answer, the malignant cells that need excison expungation and extermination are the white racists many of of whom support alumni legacy preferences. They are no different from black race preferentialists like lANI gUINER, cHRIS eDLEY ETC. gUINIER, edLEY ARE THE MALIGNANT CELLS WHOSE IDEAS NEED TO BE EXPUNGED FROM OUR SOCIETY. tHERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BLACK RACE PREFERENTIALISTS AND WHITE AND BLACK ALUMNI LEGACY PREFERENTIALISTS. tHE PREFERENCES THAT THEY BOTH BElieve in are nothing but an end run around the Civil Rights Act of 1964.In case you haven’t figured out yet Cobra, what is the difference between these people and the Ku Klux Klan and the supporters of Plessey vs. Ferguson. Think about Cobra……

  23. leo cruz January 27, 2005 at 12:52 am | | Reply

    cobra says,

    In your version, what kind of cells do racist white lords of power represent?

    –Cobra

    cOBRA,

    tHAT IS EASY to answer, the malignant cells that need excison expungation and extermination are the white racists many of of whom support alumni legacy preferences. They are no different from black race preferentialists like lANI gUINER, cHRIS eDLEY ETC. gUINIER, edLEY ARE THE MALIGNANT CELLS WHOSE IDEAS NEED TO BE EXPUNGED FROM OUR SOCIETY. tHERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BLACK RACE PREFERENTIALISTS AND WHITE AND BLACK ALUMNI LEGACY PREFERENTIALISTS. tHE PREFERENCES THAT THEY BOTH BElieve in are nothing but an end run around the Civil Rights Act of 1964.In case you haven’t figured out yet Cobra, what is the difference between these people and the Ku Klux Klan and the supporters of Plessey vs. Ferguson. Think about Cobra……

  24. leo cruz January 27, 2005 at 12:52 am | | Reply

    cobra says,

    In your version, what kind of cells do racist white lords of power represent?

    –Cobra

    cOBRA,

    tHAT IS EASY to answer, the malignant cells that need excison expungation and extermination are the white racists many of of whom support alumni legacy preferences. They are no different from black race preferentialists like lANI gUINER, cHRIS eDLEY ETC. gUINIER, edLEY ARE THE MALIGNANT CELLS WHOSE IDEAS NEED TO BE EXPUNGED FROM OUR SOCIETY. tHERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BLACK RACE PREFERENTIALISTS AND WHITE AND BLACK ALUMNI LEGACY PREFERENTIALISTS. tHE PREFERENCES THAT THEY BOTH BElieve in are nothing but an end run around the Civil Rights Act of 1964.In case you haven’t figured out yet Cobra, what is the difference between these people and the Ku Klux Klan and the supporters of Plessey vs. Ferguson. Think about Cobra……

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